Fabrice29

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh.

Beautifully put. Completely ignores the total incompetent team we became last team we did all that in this league and how the possession based obsession got us back to this league of course but hear bloody hear!

How’s McKenna getting on this year out of interest?

Maybe most people who go to the games are more measured, appreciative of the circumstances and happy to see how we do up until now? Not everyone has to be as angry as you or others online.

That’s a you problem not SR.

Listen to yourself pal 🤣

I’m not, no. But I’m not so angry at one man that I think it’s all his fault.

Hahahaha fucking hell.

You’re angry at one man. It’s odd.

You really have to stop watching pal. You’re not enjoying it, that’s okay but you’re out here being so angry at one man you’re comparing him with a whole football club. Doesn’t feel healthy. Walk away, at least from the website.

Announced today he wont be joining him so he can forge his own career path.

Zsolt Lowe?

You have to be on the wind up if you think that leaving 3 guys on the edge of the box in the last minute yesterday is because that is how the manager has set them up. 6 corners yesterday they had, don't remember that happening until the last one and it doesn't happen because Martin sees the first 5 and barks orders at them to leave them free. So yeah, I think differently.

No, obviously not. They wont stay here long even if we stay up and neither will Martin tbh.

Okay.

The same stuff I saw last season, a team that is invested in it's manager and the way of playing. Our most exciting players are Fernandes and Dibling and are excelling because of the manager rather than despite him. Yes, there are things that could be done better but I'm not into judging the manager by the results this season, I guess this is where we all differ. We are fully expected to finish bottom, we did last time we were here and we came up from the play offs so the results were always going to be bad. I don't think there is a magic way of doing things that guarantees us safety so as long as I see a team of players invested in what they are being asked to do then I think that's a good thing. It was the complete opposite at the end under Ralph for example. This time last year his ceiling was the mid table in the Championship. It's almost as if that's not a thing. Managing a football team is about managing people and getting the best out of them. It's my opinion that aside from Lallana and Ramsdale we have a squad of players who have yet to prove themselves capable of winning games in the PL on a regular basis, so I'm not really expecting that to happen tbh.

He literally delivered the minimum objective he was asked to last season. So yeah, I call that a working managerial appointment. As for this season, the PL is the toughest league in the world and he's had 8 games as a manager in it. I don't think it's fair to judge him on that alone (just as I didn't for Jones btw so I'm not a RM fan boy). I don't mind the mistakes, I'd much rather our experienced PL players took some of the brunt rather than a manager who has earnt some credit in the bank and is finding his way under intense pressure, a squad that he has tried to improve but is new and at a club which has been poor in the PL for a long time before he came along. I said before this season, you 100% can start badly in this league and still stay up. We are 3 points off Ipswich who also haven't won a game and level with them if we had closed down a ball on the edge of the box properly, those are the fine margins. They also have a new manager finding their way but presumably doesn't have a weird online fan base after his head. Maybe they do, maybe they and you are right. Or maybe not everything you are feeling right now has to be so definitive and final.

Except for last season but yeah.

I think if the players want to stop looking bad they should probably stop throwing points away in the last minute of games first especially before blaming the guy that led them to the PL last season, which some of this squad completely ballsed up the year before that as well.

Ralph was sacked because he'd lost the dressing room completely and quite rightly so like you said. Jones had seemingly pissed almost everyone off in the ground and Selles was very much told he wasn't going to be our manager for any significant time after a short period. None of them worked. The one managerial appointment that has worked under SR has been Martin. Anyway, we have different approaches on how we would do things, which is fine. I'd much rather we tried to make this work than change in hope. The guy who delivered success with this club last year feels like a good option to me but then again maybe I'm wrong and there's someone who can deliver success out there and maybe we'll find them and maybe they'll turn our defence which includes players who have played under 4 different managers now but still barely keep clean sheets into quality players at this level. Who knows.

Himself? The vibe at the ground yesterday when he was clapped down the tunnel by the Itchen? The fact that he's clearly got the support of the players, especially important ones? The fact that nobody would want to take over before City anyway? The fact that every decision taken at the club right now seems to be a long term plan and doing something so rash at the very top of that would send a completely different message out across the club? Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe there is a magic man out there who can fit in nicely and deliver immediate results for on paper the worst team in the league last time we were in it and the worst team that got promoted last season too. Maybe we should ask BBC sport website, MOTD, the Saintsweb forum and the papers for their recommendations on who that is like someone else suggested earlier.

Always worth remembering that Ankerson and Sport Republic both would have signed off on the last managerial appointment which delivered the seasons minimum objective of promotion. I know it's unfashionable to point that out but it's true. Anyway, it's a pointless discussion because he's not getting sacked and as evidenced by the last time we were in this league, changing managers every time we don't win a few games is no guarantee of success and will only really attract people desperate for an opportunity. If you crave short term success, thats all you'll get at best but this odd little online world seems to thrive on that I suppose.

Which players has he thrown under the bus and which one are his favourites? Because all I see is a quote saying someone didn't do their job and no names mentioned and if I was a player I'd probably equally as annoyed by said player not doing their job. Also, he's changed the team every week and maybe only Downes and Bednarek have started every game this season? I'd argue he needs to get back to having some favourites and stop flapping around for a magic formula. Orrrr maybe they realise that the last time they sacked a manager after 8 games in the PL it didn't help.

What’s the papers, MOTD, the bbc sport website or Saintsweb record at this level like out of interest?

What people really mean when they say he should/did change is win. Sometimes that has/will coincide with slightly less possession which is a really easy go to statistic to point and say ‘look, he changed’. Sometimes it doesn’t coincide with that though.