Dusic

Agree that patience will be thin but also we need to be realistic. He doesn't know which players will still be here in September and its widely expected that the vast majority, if not all, of our players who would be amongst the very best in the league at this level will be leaving. Obviously important to get off to a good start and he and the club will be well aware of that but there has and will be so much change between May and August/Sept that I think its reasonable to expect some up and down results to start with. The Championship is a long season where you can make up ground quickly and the absolute last thing we need after last season is fans getting on a managers back after 5 games because we haven't won them all or looks a bit disjointed. As Martin said yesterday we are moving from one end of the spectrum to the other in terms of styls of play. That won't come together straight away, especially when our best players and real difference makers will be sold.

Fully expect KWP to move. He is too good for someone not to move for him and would probably be affordable for 90% of PL teams. The vast majority of deals happen in the last two weeks of the window so still plenty of time. Is Bree, Larios and Abu enough options at RB? Doesn't overly enthuse me compared to what we have been used to.

He was decent in a very direct team (totally different to our style). I don't think he was some kind of huge standout and wasn't really linked to any other PL sides. He is not on Tino/KWP level, probably a few levels below so its a big downgrade versus having kept TL, without question.

Lets be honest from KWP/Livramento to Bree is a massive drop off. Not saying its unavoidable because it probably isn't but no point dressing it up. KWP or Livramento would have been the best RB in the league without question. Bree isn't.

Given we all know that the likes of Lavia, JWP, KWP, ABK will be almost certainly moving this window, I think losing Livramento to Newcastle would probably be the most frustrating exit if that happens as seems pretty likely. Not suprised they would go for him but had hoped he would be a nice way to lose KWP without feeling a massive drop in quality in that position so losing both would be a pretty big blow. Bree, whilst not awful, is clearly levels below the other two and if we are to go up we need some players who are clearly the best or amongst the best in their position in the league and Tino (or KWP) would certainly be that.

He essentially is saying that Martin will have an idea of who is likely to stay/go i.e JWP, Lavia, Salisu etc but not definitive. Also as RM himself has said some players will play the first few games and then leave. Mentions that a deal could still be struck for Livramento for example, who Martin would obviously want to stay. Not ideal but its where we are in the food chain following repegation and I don't think there is a whole lot anyone can do about it unless they decide its better to sell players for under their value rather than waiting a month or so.

Summary of latest Tanswell article on The Athletic: - No firm interest in JWP at an acceptable price level (upwards of 30m) but likely to go late in window - Lots of Lavia interest - Pretty much anyone else could go for the right offer

Awful player, awful signing but probably a decent guy. Hope he has a good career and enjoyed his time in the greater Salisbury area.

Why wouldn't he? Scotland have won 4/4 in their qualification group so seems pretty realistic they will be there and if he is playing semi regular PL football then he is a nailed starter for them.

Seen too many of these Turkish reports to have much faith until anything official comes of it.

Agree with those requirements but not re Tella. He was poor tonight but the 2nd half system with one #6 and two #8s made much more use of the width and Tella would be good off either side in that setup. Edozie or Kamaldeen off the left would also be effective I think. Biggest issue for me is the ball progression from centre back.

Hard to overly judge individuals due to heat and early pre season nature but really shows we need a ball playing CB...Lyanco is just awful in particular. Looks most solid when Bednarek plays, I hope we sign someone to pair with him. Sam Amo looks very promising, could be a great bench option. System in the 2nd half with the deep lying midfielder and two #8s really suits Alcaraz and Aribo, nice balance.

Jeez this guy is bad. Really bad.

Looking at that squad its clear that" - We can easily lose one of Tino or KWP and not need to replace - Perraud can go - Central midfield needs new additions when JWP and Lavia go - If we can keep Kamaldeen and Tella then wide options are good but could probably use another one there - Striker a huge issue if Adams goes

Of those you describe we will get virtually nothing for Diallo and certainly if we sell Onuachu or DCC we will still end up paying out more in the installments we owe Genk and Marseille than what we would actually be getting from whoever buys them. Lyanco and DCC will probably only generate loan offers as tbeir wages will be too high for anyone of their level to cover. Possibly the same even for Paul. Salisu will generate possibly £10m. The four key ones are Lavia, JWP, KWP and ABK who are all pretty much certain to go. Would expect those four would just about touch £90-£100m in total.

I think its probably time for Stu to move on. Has been decent value but hasn't been at his top level for near on 2 years now and is probably the least suited to Sat/Tues/Sat of anyone in our squad.

Personally am suprised how comfortable people would be with losing our best striker. Yes he isn't perfect but I feel confident he would score 20 in the Championship, we don't have another player that applies to. It would cost us more to replace him with a player of an equal/lower standard and he is one of the players with "experience" that is so clamoured for on here. Will be very interesting to see the squad that flies to Turkey, as assume Charles and Manning will go for team bonding if not playing time. If the likes of Tella, Diallo, Onuachu etc (who have been training) don't travel then its surely a sign that they aren't in the plans for the season. We have way too many players so need to start getting some out as pointless giving many pre season minutes to players who won't be here in a month's time.

Paul Chuckle obviously has Andrew on notifications and Fareham James mostly spouts nonsense on here. But keep going lads if it makes you happy.

Three observations: 1. Notable use of inverted full back, Tino especially found himself in central midfield a lot 2. Obvious in this style you need CBs who can pass and receive well - arguably none of ours can, and central midfielders who can beat a press. Unfortunately Lavia showed how big a miss he will be 3. Felt for Mara and Adams as no service. Really lacking potency from the wide positions in our squad and hard to see where the likely 70+ goals needed for promotion would come from.

Suggests to me that we are probably going to sell Tadanari Lee

All sounds very nice but in the real world of football JWP will move to almost any PL team who make Saints an acceptable offer. Commuting, living away from family...its the reality of being a pro sportsperson and these guys are driven and have egos to play at the best level they can. He may well have a preference for remaining at home but if West Ham, Newcastle, Brighton whoever stump up the cash he will go and will find a solution to his living arrangements just like all the other pros who move away from their home patch.

Manning was 3rd for goal creating actions (behind Gyokores and Hamer) and 5th for shot creating actions last season. Very good attacking stats for a LB /LWB. If he comes in would assume Perraud will go as no sense in having both. Remember a recent interview where he cited Russel Martin as the biggest influence on his career so whilst there would be other interest we would surely have a very good chance. Also pretty sure we were linked with him whilst he was was QPR too.

I still think its extremely likely he will leave as soon as a PL club puts in a decent offer. All players want to play in the PL, particularly in a tournament year and he would also get a big pay increase to negate his likely relegation cut. I would imagine the shambles of the last couple of seasons has pissed him off quite a bit too...

Bazunu, McCarthy will be better than most and if AMc leaves then he will be replaced. Assume McNamara or Bycroft will be the third keeper and if it gets to the point the third keeper is needed then there is nearly always a free agent knocking around.

True, but they will surely prefer to sell to other clubs before Saints, you would imagine. That said, I prefer Downes to Grimes and Manning is a free agent so its only Piroe really.