CB Fry

Just looked at his Twitter and no mention of us whatsoever.

It wasn't Labour policy until the election.

Are we still eighth?

You seem to have air brushed over the word "proposal".

Just seen it. Horrific. In summary when she's knocking doors and people are telling her they don't like Corbyn or what he stands for all she actually hears are helpless brainwashed saps who has accepted demonisation from the "meeja". Utterly contemptuous of British people, totally dismissive of the Blair government (didn't have a transformative agenda apparently) and every single thing wrong with the entitled arrogant and utterly out of touch followers of the Cretin. Make no mistake about the "period of reflection" and the conclusions that will be drawn. In summary - we're doing everything right. The electorate are to blame.

The Cretinistas own and control every lever, structure, commitee and process in the Labour Party, completely dominated by Formby, Milne and Uncle Len and the rest. The fact that he isn't out on his ear today when any other leader of any other party would be long gone is unarguable proof of my point. No pressure whatsoever. Winning elections and changing lives is not the objective. Dominating Labour party committee meetings is the objective. Talking shop, pressure group. That's why he swans back into HQ Monday morning as if nothing has happened.

Not sure this is saying what you think it is saying. Its utterly pointless for Labour to stack up 30k majorities in Islington and Holborn when they can't get the few thousand required in marginal seats in the Midlands or the North. That's kind of the point of constituency elections. London vanity votes is all the Cretin and his team care about because they haven't got the faintest idea of how to win Nuneaton or Worcester or Rugby or even bloody Sedgefield. But stack em up in Bethnal Green and feed the dins on Twitter who can spin it like a landslide.

I put it on the Corbyn thread last night. One of the highlights of the night from my perspective. Agreed with every word he said. The tragedy is that instead of Johnson it is the fu cking loon Lansman that has power in the Labour party, which is why it will now never be anything other than a protest group for middle class socialists to play at being revolutionaries, without any pressure to actually win or take a single decision that could actually change the lives of normal people.

5th May 2011. Where you in the toilet?

He won after all, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won. Magic Grandpa won he won he won he won he won he won.

Yes. They picked the worst alternative known to humanity, Cameron did an excellent job of demolishing it through misrepresentation, and no one gave a sh it and it lost on a very low turnout. Quite rightly to be honest as it wasn't significantly more proportional.

We get it. You don't understand.

John Lansman was using Putney as an example of the electoral success of Labour last night.

I didn't realise we were convening a Royal Commission on Electoral Reform today on this football forum. If you can't actually imagine a proportional system for the UK that doesn't involve slightly less than twelve hundred sodding MPs then I've got nothing for you mate.

Jesus wept. There are proportional systems like the one I've described in play all the world. If it ever happened, maybe, just maybe we could work it out within the current 650 MPs. Being that a couple of years ago the Tories proposed boundary changes to reduce total seats to 600 suggests that the number of seats can be revised and amended over time. A new proportional system would be pretty straightforward to map out, not sure why you are making such a meal of it. You're either obtuse or plain stupid. Let me know which.

The rush is because quite frankly he has no right to be there presiding over his own successor and trying to stich up all the votes and sub-committee so he gets to carry on in all but name. Would be utterly shameless if he stays in post to ponce around Labour HQ with his little coterie as if nothing has happened and he's still the man. They're all currently high-fiving themselves about winning Putney as proof that everything they did was right after all. With all your wailing about how jolly awful Boris is, this behaviour by a failed leadership is utterly disgraceful if he doesn't go today.

No one is saying announce the new leader today. But Corbyn could do the decent thing and resign today. It's absolutely shameful he hasn't gone already. The malignant cancer of Lansmann and Milne, Bastini and the rest of the socialist worker crew have never given two shi ts about changing the country, just owning the Labour Party. A little set back like yesterday they are already brushing off and they will try and fester and cling to their little bit of "power".+

What I've described is a combination of voting for a representation by an individual identifiable MP for geographic areas plus a top up list to better reflect proportionality, again by area. I haven't made it up, it's how Germany and Scotland do it and used elsewhere but I can't be bothered to look.

Yes. All governments are coalitions anyway because Peter Bone and Justine Greening are poles apart as are Denis Skinner and David Miliband but they all served as part of parties with working majorities. Lots of countries have rolling coalitions and quite frankly it could work perfectly well. And say qhat you like about the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition but it was very disciplined - more than Major, Brown or Camerons majorities anyway.

Yes that looks rather too simplistic. Whatever a UK PR system would be it definitely would not be as basic as all votes for the whole nation divided into exactly proportional seats. Areas still need MPs that represent their opinions and MPs would need a connection to a constituency to reflect the differences in areas. So would be a combination of constituency seats and regional top-ups to make it more proportional. Anyway, it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Indeed- the Labour Party did not have leaving the SM and Customs Union in their manifesto in 2017. Weird that on a day that they've had such a comprehensive victory there is still a need for the likes of Littlewood to lie and still go on about betrayal. You've won, lads. Get over it.

I've got to say I am really disappointed to be seeing the back of that Jo Swinson.

Let's see. He'll probably sit down with Seamus and Uncle Len and the rest of that pond-life this morning and convince themselves that they have done nothing wrong and it is the electorate that simply must change.

What?

The idea that he is going to walk back into the commons and even consider doing a PMQs is utterly ridiculous. Tone deaf, utterly contemptuous of all of the natural Labour voters he has turned his back on.