CB Fry

York City are magic. Are magic. Are magic. Are magic.

They would have mentally banked those points in hand weeks ago. Oh dear oh dear. Massive, massive club.

I don't fully understand the rules either, but there's no way we'll have nine clubs in Europe. 4 CL and 3 EL in a standard season. Or, if Liverpool win the EL then 5 CL and 3 EL Or if Man City win the CL and Liverpool then the total doesn't change, it just gets shifted about a bit and 4th gets EL instead of CL. Still 5 and 3. This isn't quite a fun as last year's FA Cup runners up stuff it's fair to say.

Nah. Not with the UK. Ireland is EU small fry and bullyable. The UK is very different - if we vote, conclusively (55%) then that will be it - the EUoccracy know that the British have never loved it and it will let us go if the people vote for it. Keeping Ireland in is easy. Forcing the UK to stay in those circumstances would be total stupidity for the EU (or any British government) to even consider. Not happening.

I'd agree with that. A narrow win for In might well be the best path. I fear a big vote for stay seems unlikely anyway now.

Hmm. Maybe. Either way there will be an utter sh it storm if it is marginal either way. A 51% win for either side will be a total world of pain. A 51% win for Out may well trigger a renegotiation rather than a straight exit as you say and a 51% win for In probably will disintegrate the tories as we know them and I think we'd have another referendum within five years. A definitive win either way (in the loosest sense - say 55% which was good enough for Scotland) and that's that. No renegotiation, no second referendum.

I agree with you on the great British public, as I said previously. Just want to show that both sides are using it. Fundamentally I disagree about the leaflet, because it should come from the government, it is what the government is recommending, and I think they should be allowed to recommend it. Whether you like it or not, this is not a general election. It is not a 50/50 choice. It is the government looking to ratify their recommendation. Secondly I've read the leaflet and also have marketing experience in product, packaging and ATL/BTL copy for a decade. Personally I think it reads fine. There's nothing dishonest or underhand about it, already the two things picked up on this thread as "lies" (it's not from the government (it is) it lies about borders (it doesn't)) have been proved to be not dishonest or underhand, but utterly, absolutely, unequivocally true. There's reverse spin going on ("ah yes but that bit is implying so and so") but that's in the eye of the beholder and not actually in the leaflet, as with the borders section. There's nothing anyone has pointed out that is wrong or false, or dishonest or underhand in that leaflet. In fact a £9m leaflet through every door in the country is about the least underhand thing you can do. Everyone has seen it. Personally I don't share your confidence and think Out could well win, especially if some of the small factors that could come into play (something with migrants or terrorism, a high profile governmental crisis not directly related but could be spun that way (doctors strike) ) or something functional (it rains all day on polling day) could tip the balance. It's close.

I wasn't talking about Forster to be fair, but I can't be bothered to keep it going, despite how hilarious it could have been. That Mirror story is a very "early window" thing and relies on quite a lot of other dominos to fall first anyway, so nothing to worry about yet.

Have I? Seems to be a couple of sources and he's linked with one of the biggest clubs in the world so not surprising his future is uncertain.

Looks like another example of a player with his head turned when a big club comes calling. Sickening.

In the interests of balance, a forum member from the Out camp has already played the "British public are stupid" card. Let's not pretend it is a trait of just the remainers.

Probably zero. Why bother taking over now. Can't see anyone wanting to be associated with them until next season.

Just one of a billion managers who have a little flourish and a bit of success and that's it, back to mediocrity. Owen Coyle. Malkay Mackay. Ian Dowie. Tony Mowbray. Phil Briwn. Aidy Boothroyd. Paul Jewell. Our Nigel.

In fairness I think it us choking the end of the season more than what Chelsea do, but I think they will finish strongly (but they will let Leicester and Claudio win the league) . Beat Villa and we're eighth, I reckon. And then I will look up and wait for WHU to do their choke instead, they need a defeat to really bring to life the points they've dropped recently, it's a slow run of form for them which might become a proper choke if we're lucky.

They've never been title winning centre backs up to now*, so he must have done something right. *yes, yes Huth was at Chelsea and played a handful of times when they etc etc etc.

Starting to feel much more confident that we will steer ourselves to eighth now. With goal difference, Stoke now five points adrift of us, meaning I think we can hold them off over four games. Just Chelsea to panic about. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

It's okay to dish out jibes to me, I get them all the time from various people on the forum, it's fine. I don't mind a good jibe-ing. I think I will get buried underneath them on the EU thread soon. Just pointing out that you like to come across as holier than thou but can dish out some very spiteful stuff yourself as seen on this thread. I'm not offended by your jibes but find your spectacular hypocrisy highly amusing.

I can take what you "dish out" all day long as I have made very, very clear - you can't upset me but I will use what you say to show up the simple fact that you aren't the holier than thou guardian you like to make out you are by dishing out autism jibes to others and drooling jibes to me. And, let's be fair. You are an imbecile.

[h=3]David Cameron's full statement[/h]"My intention is that at the conclusion of the renegotiation, the government should reach a clear recommendation and then the referendum will be held. "It is the nature of a referendum that it is the people not the politicians who decide. "And as indicated before Christmas, there will be a clear government position, but it will be open to individual ministers to take a different personal position while remaining part of the government. "Ultimately it will be for the British people to decide this country’s future by voting in or out of a reformed European Union in the referendum that only we promised and that only a Conservative majority government was able to deliver." There you go everyone. Really, really clear. Really, really straightforward. This is what Cameron said back in January.

I believe I answered your question "who are the government if it is not the current elected MPs?" It is not "the current elected MPs". IDS isn't part of the government any more, that was on the news. The rest of them are part of the government and campaigning for out, which was agreed in cabinet. Again that was in the news. Lord D may have a point that the suspension of collective responsibility muddies the water, but being that the Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home and Foreign secretaries (the four big offices of state) agree that it is government's reco that we remain in. The suspension of collective responsibility does not mean the government don't know what to do - they do, they have a clear reco for in. The suspension of collective responsibiulity allows those cabinet members to campaign, but under the acceptance that it goes against what the government recommends. That's why so many are saying that Cameron will resign if out wins. It's exactly the same argument.

The government are the ministers of state, running departments and not necessarily MPs - there are often Lords who hold government posts. It's not all MPs and definitely not all MPs from the ruling party. Jeremy Corbyn was never in "the government" throughout the Blair years. Tim Farron was never in the coalition government. Liam Fox and Peter Bone and other back bench rebels are not in the government now. Blimey, this is pretty basic stuff. And its the British public who are "****ing stupid" according to you, right?

Would a be bizarre business to have on a Premier League football shirt, as there's not really any meaningful use from the consumer awareness that they'd have to sink XX million quid to unlock. Unless they are about to do something radically new, or it's part of a Barcelona style charity tie-up connected to a field of research they are currently in. K Billy might just be winding us all up.

To be honest, I don't think it should be fair. The government are right to try and give people information to explain why they think their position is right. The government who called this referendum didn't plan it as a 50/50 choice. It's an attempt to get the people ratify their policy. This isn't a general election. It may well backfire, we'll see. But I don't accept that the leaflet content was wrong or biased, as we have seen on this thread it has been interpreted as "lies" by people who have decided to fill in the gaps of what they think it "really" says and then get upset about it, despite the words in the leaflet being perfectly accurate and true. I'm not here to defend Cameron, I'm no Conservative voter, but I think the leaflet was not unreasonable.

Let's see. Box of frogs is an acceptable name for a theatre group, a comedy troupe, a band featuring members of the Yardbirds, a Web development agency, a pub in Ireland and is used a a term of endearment in reviews and interviews. No one seems to see it as shorthand for disability. I use it for Art on this forum because he is, clearly, nuts. Never said it about you, ever. http://boxoffrogstheatreacademy.co.uk/our-team/ https://boxoffrogsimpro.wordpress.com/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_of_Frogs http://livingthesheepsheadway.com/box-of-frogs/ Swivel eyed is different, it only has one context, mainly fanaticism specifically for right wing reactionaries. Occasionally brandished as a badge of honour, but some do get offended by it, but on the terms of denying their strident political beliefs rather than any implication of mental difficency. It exists entirely in the political sphere. Left wing equivalent is probably bleeding-heart, lily-livered or yoghurt knitter or something about sandal - wearing. I use it solely for Saint Richmond who will only return in the summer to rant in capital letters about the transfer window. Never said it about you, ever. http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/05/defence-swivel-eyed-lunacy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22607108 On the other hand, your attempted put down to me - I'm drooling out the side of my mouth, oh aha-ha-ha-ha - is entirely loaded with implications of disability, especially cerebral palsy or Down's syndrome. I'm robust enough to not be offended by your pathetic line of attack but personally think you should be suitably embarrassed by such schoolyard barbs, especially when linked with your gleeful baiting of someone else here as being autistic because they disagree with you. You're too pig headed and ignorant to apologise but I don't think using disability to mock is acceptable. For a long time, I've paid monthly to Scope, inspired by the comedian Richard Herring (he's mad as a box of frogs he is). Perhaps that's something you could consider too. http://www.scope.org.uk/ Apologies to everyone, this isn't on topic but I am not standing by to be fu cking lectured at by some pompous arse who thinks it's acceptable to use disability to attack someone on a bloody football forum.

Besmirching the great British public as effing stupid is the last refuge of the scoundrel but I think we can both do it: over the last week or so I have become convinced Out will win, driven by the same utter stupidity of the British people who I think will hoover up the belief that their vote will send-em-back or keep-em-out or both and we can clean up Blighty of Johnny Polish and Johnny Refugee for once and for all. *****ing stupid indeed, and highly depressing for some of us. Your comments on the leaflet and the referendum are bizarre. The referendum was about letting the people decide but accepting the government have a clear, unequivocal recommendation. It was never "we don't know what to do, so we'll have a vote" it was looking for voter support for the recommended course. And the Government is the government, not the Conservative party or even the Conservative MPs as a whole. The leaflet is fine and read well and isn't misleading, if anything a breath of fresh air from the utter guff coming out from Boris's backside. But I think the out campaign will shout louder and have a simpler message and I think will win, especially as they will have turn out on their side. So don't worry. You'll get what you want.