CB Fry

Yeah, it's definitely Trevor Phillips with the agenda here. Definitely him. I think the phrase we need here is "wiful misunderstanding". Well done.

I just want one person to appreciate that last post, I'm very proud of it.

No because I doubt Steve wants it on this forum. Put a basic search into twitter (celeb injunction threesome etc) and it's there pretty obviously. And then you can tell everybody.

Most if the reason I liked it was because it was very fair and painted the British Muslim community as wanting to be here, feeling British, having a perception that they will be treated fairly by the authorities and so on. And the pen portraits and interviews they carried out with the community leader in Blackburn, the stand up comic, the two guys with stands on the street, were positive and very interesting. The methodology was explained well, and as had already been covered here in discussions with saps who don't understand these things, the survey was comprehensive and representative as any you'll get on anything. Trevor Phillips offered a good commentary and some suggestions which were sensible. As a Guardian-reading lily-livered liberal interested in social justice and equality of opportunity it worked for me. People that just wanted a basic "ain't Muslims brilliant" whitewash (probably blaming, like, Tony B-LIAR for every bad thing) would likely leave the programme disappointed. They mentioned 7/7. Gosh. What a disgrace.

Pretty naive to think it wouldn't reference 7/7 in the programme - it's one of the reasons the survey was carried out and the programme was made. Would have been far more bizarre to not reference it at all. I thought it was very good piece of work.

I thought everyone knew who it is by now.

I can't be bothered to run scenarios but I think that league table looks about right, and I think at the end of the season eighth place will be about right for us. In all honesty I am worried more about Chelsea having a strong finish and us puttering out allowing Stoke past us to leave us tenth far more than us storming up to sixth. But I think we will do okay and see it and eighth it is.

Don't really understand your point. Chelsea should be in the top four, of course they should, they've massively underperformed for various reasons. We should have been nailed on play offs that season and ideally challenging for automatic. That's what we should have done. We underperformed and scraped in.

Really can't see why any club we would prepared to sell Mane to (a CL level club, or Liverpool) would want to pay what we'd want for him. He hasn't been a £25m player this season. I think he will stay by default for one more year. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

It's where the trade go.

If BHA come up and the blue few stay down the absolute fury from down the road will be epic. You won't be able to move for newspaper articles/football focus/SSN/etc features about "the rise of south coast football" and not mentioning them. Of course, they'll be happy in their little world of "real football" and won't be jealous at all no way, no sir.

I didn't "raise" any nativity play "problem" this morning, I mentioned it in passing in addition to another point about Trevor Phillips. As others have said it was a back reference to one of my favourite running gags on this forum, SOG. Funny, I thought you weren't one of those "simple souls" who can't manage to think about two things at once but turns out you are after all. I'll type more slowly in the future for you.

Or, dopey saps desperately scrabbling around to talk about anything, anything, anything else except the issues. So we end up in SOG's grab bag of random things that have happened in history. Today: attitudes to homosexuality in the sixties. Awfully helpful that's been brought up for us simple souls. You're jolly clever and everything because your rambling on about how the Nazis were like all Christian really, really shed light on the issues at hand. I imagine governments, the UN, the EU, Faith leaders and Charities and NGOs when they come together to discuss this issue probably spend 80 or 90% of their time talking about Christian atrocities through history and stuff Katie Hopkins said to help them solve this global problem. Because that's how awfully clever you guys are. Us simple souls will never be able to workat your level.

I think it is absolutely critical to the discussion that we cover British attitudes to homosexuality 50 years ago as part of the debate. Thank heavens you've brought that up. If only Trevor Phillips had written a report on that instead of bothering to survey a sample group of Muslims living right now in British contemporary society then I think we'd all understand that there are no issues after all and that's fine. People said queer and woofter in the seventies you know. Disgusting and no mistake.

I very nearly wrote a post this morning predicting that SOG would "analyse" the survey by switching the results round so it actually shows there's no problems whatsoever after all. If one in four want Sharia law in some areas that means THREE IN FOUR DON'T so that's all right then. Needless to say he's done it for me. SOG - parodying himself since 2007.

Frankly it is bizarre to dismiss Trevor Phillips, a renowned equality campaigner as "someone with an agenda to promote" like he's some paid spokesman for big oil or the tobacco industry.

If you're going to dismiss Trevor Phillips as someone with an "agenda to promote" (equality of opportunity/social cohesion/the end of racial discrimination - how awful) then I heartily look forward to the next spokesman/representative you lean on or quote here.

Trevor Phillips has a long and proud record fighting racial hatred and inequality driven by racial discrimination so I'm happy to have him on my side of the debate, whatever that is. I bet he's been to a nativity play or two as well. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

That's a no, then.

What's "my side of the argument"? The fact that you need someone on a web forum to confirm a number you've already seen is the odd thing. That survey has a sample comparable to any survey run by any research agency and used a face-to-face interview methodology so is as representative amd thorough as you'll get for any survey on anything outside of the census or an election which of course are themselves narrow in scope. But because it doesn't spoonfeed your opinions straight back to you, you've already sneerily dismissed the sample as 'mere'. Try opening your mind a little and steering clear of the obvious kneejerk, would be my advice.

Pick a news report about the survey in your paper of choice - from The Guardian and the Independent to the Express and the Mail, or the BBC website if you like - and the information is there. You think all those various news agencies reporting a simple figure is "notoriously unreliable" then gawd knows how you even get out of bed in the morning. The fact that you've already said the number makes the fact you are "asking a question" even more weird.

Why do I need to confirm or deny anything about the survey. You've clearly been reading about it too, so find out for yourself.

I can confirm that Trevor Phillips, the production team at Channel Four and the editorial team at the Sunday Times have all been seen eating Easter Eggs over the last couple of weeks, which makes them, unquestionably, Christians. Christians, I tell you, Christians. You'd think they'd stop after the Nazis what they definitely done but now this.

I'd recommend you try and read his analysis of the report that was in the Sunday Times yesterday, it goes some way of kibosh in the idea that it us just the old folk who don't integrate and there is no sign that the next generation are necessarily going to assimilate. It is, unfortunately, appearing to be more complicated than that. Unfortunately it doesn't go into pages and pages of detail about every bad thing every Christian has ever done in the history of the earth so I imagine the entire piece of work will be dismissed by you and the other idiot on here.

There is not a box big enough for these frogs. Absolutely mental.