CB Fry

That's nice, dear.

Can you imagine how tedious and boring finishing 7th would be? If that's all we can hope for what is the point of supporting a team? If we don't get 65 points next season I will become an alcoholic.

Started in 1987. But blame Sky anyway or something.

Jesus Christ. There is no "journalistic integrity" at play in that column. It's just a few gags strung together, not all at our expense. And that column is not going to "sell papers" or even "get people talking" - it's just supposed to be funny. Actually I thought it was okay on the gag front. Quite funny. Well done that writer.

Wow.

More chapters from the self help book, I'm honoured. Hilarious that you still pretend it's me after "complete" solutions when every utterance from you is loaded with unshakeable assumptions. 9/11 is a conspiracy, that to you is a given, a "complete solution" if you will. Which gets us to your very sweet dismissal that "Mossad and elements of the US Government" planned, executed and covered up the planes and explosives on the WTC with no one from either party meeting each other. Not once? You really sure about this, because it feels a little, you know, thin to me. Almost, I don't know, strawman like, you know? The greatest conspiracy the world has ever known, organised how? Telepathy? Semaphore? And I love the self help list. I love the fact that a man who thinks Boston Bomb Victims are crisis actors is trying to deride me for "Ignoring proof presented". You and your chums on the Let's Roll "resource" love a bit of "proof presented", don't you? It's such a great resource of "proof", ain't it? Anyway, any news on your "proof" of someone who laid explosives at the WTC who has come forward and spoken out? You were suggesting you had it before but have now changed the subject. Show me and I promise I won't "ignore proof presented". Because that's what right dinlows do, isn't it?

My comments about Let's Roll are about as far from "how dare you" as you can get. It's people on a web forum mocking 9/11 eyewitnesses for being actors. It's hilarious. That you fawn over the site as a "good resource" is even funnier. I'll assume "How Dare You" is another sub section from your conspiro-idiots self help book? Keep em coming. I can see that list is a great comfort to you. Come on then, "boldness" and "facts" time. Who has come forward and is "speaking out" to back up your conspiracy then? One of the guys laying the explosives? Someone who saw the minutes of the first Mossad/Government hook up? Link me up, I'd love to read it. But, most of all, please keep calling me a strawman. You think Boston Bomb Victims were actors and the American Government mass murdered hundreds of civilians in order to start a war by using not only planes but also explosives on one of their nations iconic buildings. Yes. You keep calling me a strawman.

I'm not demanding any "complete solutions" about anything Pappy, whatever your odd little self - help manual for conspiro-lunatics tells you. On this very thread you say you think 9/11 was planned and carried out by "Mossad and elements of the US Government" yet when I harmlessly suggest that to make this happen those self same "Mossad and elements of the US Government" would have actually had to have spoken to each other (it's kinda what needs to happen when things get "planned" ) you decide that is nothing more than a script for an episode of 24 and deride it. Even at the most basic, simple level you walk away from your own theory. Your theory. Not mine. No wonder you only ever want to pontificate around piddling details about how a skyscraper "should" fall down.

I voted Green in the Euros, mainly because I knew it would count, and it felt deliciously anti - UKIP (which is not the same as being pro-European). Like you I'll probably vote Lab at the GE, although since boundary changes I am in a solid Tory seat so won't make any difference.

Great read. Shame the Greens' decent performance has been totally ignored by the media wetting themselves over UKIP. Clearly a story there over the next 12 months of a protest vote at the other end of the spectrum.

People still whining about another teams celebrating a win against us seven freaking years ago is seriously effing mental. I take it you people don't celebrate Saints victories just in case they upset the other fans? Get over it. Gutted for Derby, would have absolutely loved to see them come up. Plus we've been robbed of a QPR meltdown which would have been fun to watch.

There's a thread on Pap ' s excellent 9/11 "resource" Let's Roll forum that is exactly that. People linking video of bystanders and firefighters and calling the liars and actors with assorted derisory comments mocking how terrible their performance is. But, as Pap says it is an excellent resource covering all the angles. So obviously it's brilliant.

Well, no one can drive a double-decker through that, can they. That's all seems pretty watertight to me. Isreal/Mossad and "elements of the US Government" sat down in a room together, and while discussing ways to increase US defence spending, and increase US influence in the middle east, and increase homeland security controls, collectively settled and agreed on the very best idea to achieve that - the brutal and spectacular mass murder of hundreds of innocent New York Civilians. Any other tools - just a bit of propaganda, a bit of diplomatic spin, maybe an atrocity not murdering hundreds of Americans in America - that just wouldn't do. Planes into Twin Towers: that's our one! It's weird no one in that room suggested that the US government has never needed to murder hundreds of its own people ahead of its other military interventions. But they all agreed because it was key to the strategy. But the president didn't know about it. Someone important must have known, because if no one of important knew then the "strategic" motive kinda collapses, don't it? So who was the most senior person that did sign it off? And at this point they decided on the plane/explosives double bubble instead of one or the other? Was it Mossad or "elements of the US Government" that insisted that the towers absolutely had to come down? Why was that bit so important? And I love Pap ' s coup-de-grace. Of course, the conspiracy worked because (get this) no one knew they were in a conspiracy. Not the guy to the contracted to lay explosives all over the world trade centre, or the people who worked for that guy. They just laid them explosives, unseen, at night, no questions asked. And when 9/11 happened, and the commission report and, you know, there was some publicity around the event - it definitely made the news here - none of those guys then reflected on what they did and spoke up, even mentioned it to anyone. Probably forgot all about it. Not one of them said during a family meal "you know, it's scary. It was only a few months ago I had a little job secretly laying explosives all over the world trade centre, and now it's gone. But really, just one of them 'innocuous orders' that happens when you work for Acme Secret Explosive Laying, Inc. More yam, anyone?" Yep. Organising flying two aircraft, and using explosives to secretly blow up one of NYC's most iconic buildings, and a mass murder of hundreds of civilians in the most famous terrorist atrocity in the history of humanity is nothing more than a collection of people blindly following a set of "innocuous orders". And not a single one of those people in the last 13 years has ever, ever, ever come forward. Not one. Well no one can drive a double-decker through that logic, that's for sure.

Nice reverse-ferret there, but just shows the bravado, bluster and bulls h it surrounding football transfer business.

I'm actually impressed with the Metro here. Most of their stuff is just off the peg wire reports. At least someone on there has taken the time to weave a five line story from a tweet. Almost like proper investigative journalism for them.

I let it burble on for about twenty minutes while I made lunch. The usual rag bag of half truths and constructed inconsistencies with the guy affirmatively stating "it wouldn't have been like that" from a position of zero knowledge. My favourite bit was when he said "there were no skid marks". I mean, LOLZ. After that I switched off as realised it was 90 odd minutes long. Back to mainstream media brainwashing for me. Oh, I'm such a narrow minded sheep. I'm terrible.

Who was in that meeting?

BREAKING NEWS Twitter is brilliant. CONFIRMED.

The global megacorp Aaap3 would never have done this.

I'm not demanding a complete solution. I think you'll find that kind of thing is the domain of yer average rent a gob conspiro-idiot. And you are a pretty average one, lets be clear. The world is a little more complicated than you and your strawman army see it, Pappy. This is all a delicious opportunity to reel you on your pitiful lack of self awareness, though. Great fun. Now, who was in that first planning meeting? That meeting is step one on planning the greatest conspiracy the world has ever known. Step one of a huge project, involving tens, probably at least a hundred people. The fact you think me asking that of you is asking for "the complete solution" is a really quite sweet insight into how your brain processes how the world works. So, who was in that meeting?

Amen to this. Nothing, but nothing, will stop the lunatics going apes hit.

I'm not bring obtuse when a conspriro-idiot tries to accuse others of building strawmen. I am waiting for Pap to answer the question - who was in the meeting when this atrocity was planned, and how did they manage to engage all the people they would need to carry it off without one single person ever challenging the stupidity, pointlessness or pure sodding evil of the idea. How did everyone nod along, they were all that convinced about the catalysing event, and they were all, immediately and without debate convinced that was the catalysing event required. The planes into the tower block. That's the one. Because I've been in meetings about stuff slightly less important like that, and had loads of opposing views to deal with. Just strange how popular that idea was. You wallies can have a jolly interesting debate about the melting point of metal, or what happens when you drop a bag of sugar, or Pap ' s apparent expertise of knowing precisely what would actually happen if a "real" passenger jet flew into a skyscraper. And Pap can do his catalysing event routine because it all justifies everything after the fact, the ultimate convenience for the conspriro-idiot. But what about before the fact. Who was in the room when they planned it? Gimme some straw Papster.

Who is it then?

Who is it, then? Who's the head on your strawman?