CB Fry

Which is absolutely no-one, at all. Not one person. You're just churning out the same garbage regardless. This is a forum nervous breakdown by a loon troll desperate for a reaction. "Stick by the manager" when we are in automatic promotion form but for the ten points. "Stick by the manager" when he has delivered instant success in less than a season from the ruins of a train wreck. "Stick by the manager" when his results and his passion are there for all to see. What a brave thing to say Yeah, you're really going against the grain here, looooooony Oh yes. Maybe you're mad because the instant success he has delivered is what you said couldn't be done and only existed in the minds of immature impatient unreasonable fans. But you were wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Utterly, utterly, utterly wrong. My assumption from August/September/Octonber/January was that Pardew would succeed instantly this season. Your assumption was that he would fail this season because it fitted your 1977 narrative of "three seasons of failure before anything can be achieved" routine. And you were wrong, wrong, wrong. You were wrong, wrong, wrong. Welcome to Sadoldgit's slow, painful nervous breakdown

Yes, and the line of questioning was why not someone else being that James was on the field for twenty minutes and was a sub himself. It wasn't a "stupid ass" question it was the question any reporter or any fan would ask. Pardew's reaction was arsey but fine - you can tell he was gutted and it's great he feels so much for the job he is doing. But enough reporter bashing already.

I think we might be witnessing our first forum related nervous breakdown. Me and Wes Tender had an entertaining debate on another thread the other day (let me spell it out. We. were. on. opposing. sides.) And lord knows me and Alpine have had plenty of ding dongs about some sh ite or other on this forum going way back. You, on the other hand, are rapidly descending into utter madness. Looooooony.

You freakin' obsessed wierdo.

Certain experts on this forum have assured me that Fonte dropped down a division because he has always admired Alan Pardew, fancied the exciting challenge of league one football, loves living in Hampshire and about a billion other reasons absolutely none of which revolve around us blowing any other club out of the water with a transfer fee that CP couldn't turn down and clubs in the CCC couldn't match. Fonte is not here because of money. Absolutely no way. So zero chance of him leaving in the summer. Phew.

What would you have asked him, then being that you've ruled out a) any questioning of significant and unusual decisions taken and b) general vague platitudes around being positive going forward type questions as "stupid". What would you have asked him?

Pard's reaction was a human reaction, but let's not pretend he was asked a "stupid question". It was a perfectly sensible question. And it is part of Pardew's job to speak to the fans after a match and even in the heat of the moment he'd be anticipating being asked that question. Which probably explained his reaction as well. He tried something that didn't come off and is probably furious with himself as well.

Got arsey when asked about the James on-off substitutions. To be fair the journalist wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask about it. And then gave a sharp answer to the closing harmless question about being positive for the final three games. Pardew is clearly gutted, so fair enough, but I'm sure there will be plenty of brainless journalist bashing on here anyway. It's not easy on either party - the manager or the reporter - when both are expected to talk to each other seconds after a match like that.

I quite like the idea of winning these two crucial games 1-0. That's how you get promoted, not with flashy fancy dan 5-1s but with ground out 1-0s. We'll grind it out tonight.

It's hypocrisy because you've decided that after less than a year in the job, Roy Keane is unsuccessful. What happened to the "it took Lawrie Mac five years relegated in first season blah blah blah". If it was one of your favourites on here judging a manager after less than a year and a single season you'd be apoplectic. But hey, just make it up as you go along and sod consistency, eh? As for your "tell me the amount" masterstroke, what a pathetic idiotic comment from Mr "no such thing as a black and white answer". Utterly, utterly idiotic. But so very you, darling. So jolly, awfully clever Spending money is as close as you can get in football to guaranteed success. Have a look at the top of the football tree, and have a look at the bottom. Let me know when Cheltenham Town are in the Champion's League and then tell me I'm wrong.

Wrong, as above. There was far more anti war dissent on the Labour side than the Tory side. If you are looking for a flowers-in-their-hair Woodstock anti-war CND party I really don't think the Conservative party of the 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s is the party for you. Sorry to shatter an illusion for you.

It's not your points don't have relevence, it's just they are boringly obvious. I think in response to an utterly patronising and arse achingly dull lecture about "it's all about team spirit you know" I am allowed to be glib in return. I don't need to hear it. Pardew has achieved instant success - anything in season one is instant success. Those were the terms of reference I used in August, in September, in January and I got shouted at for being short term. So no, I am not giving that up for bores now trying to claim nine months as "long term success" and proof that "sticking with the manager works". It is nothing of the sort. It's the instant success I was talking about in August, September, October, Janaury. And it happened. First season is instant success. And sorry, we are spending like Chelsea and Man City. If ML wasn't here we couldn't afford to buy a player from the league above. Christ, Fonte was up for sale from a club in administration and no one from the CCC could afford to prise him away from us. Our outlay would no way be covered by gate receipts and prize money. No way on earth. It being "small change for ML" is not the real measure of our spending - it is massively disproportionate for the league we are in and is the dictionary definition of spending money like it is going out of fashion. Measuring what we spend against what we think our benevolent owner can afford is an utterly shameful way to look at the finances of our football club. So you can keep your comment about it being "small change" because that's a disgraceful way to think and can only lead to thoughts of greed and entitlement. So, along side Pardew and his team spirit (cheers for that) and ability to buy good players (and that) and spending the money wisely (the hat-trick! Have a banana) it is the fact we have spent money like it is going out of fashion that is the reason we have seen this seasons instant success.

Correct. The tories were up for it, Blair was up for it. It would have happened regardless of who was PM and we would have been there regardless. Like it or not the Brits love a bit of a war and we love being side by side with the Yanks.

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Oh give over. If you think a Tory administration would have said no to a Republican president about a war on Saddam you're out of your mind. Don't remember seeing Thatch and Tebbit on many CND rallies in the eighties. The tories were peace-loving hippies hoodwinked into a war by bloodthirsty Blair were they? Diddums. There was far more anti-war dissent on the labour ranks than on the tory side.

And how do you know they won't do that? There are more options than a straightforward coalition. And you can't throw Iraq hypocrisy at the Liberals as Labour and Tories all voted for it, with the Conservatives easily as "up for it" as Labour. So the Liberals have to work with a pro-war party because they both were, it's hardly hypocrisy when there is no choice. And I think a stance of "vote for us, not anyone else" is a reasonable thing to say in an election campaign. You can't attack them for using "electoral judgement" by saying "vote for us". What kind of "principle" would be being upheld by a party saying "a vote for us actually means a vote for x party"? You're seeing some conspiracy when the Liberals doing what you're suggesting would be completely absurd.

Absolutely - he's been a great signing. But the kind of signing made by a club with tons of cash and even more intent. A bit like when Leeds signed Robbie Fowler, or Newcastle Asprilla, or Man United Berbatov. Great additions to the squad but not really needed at point of purchase if you see what I mean. Don't get me wrong I am not complaining about signing Barnard - quite the opposite!

Thanks for the patronising lecture, but you'll notice I mentioned Pardew before I mentioned the money spent. Thanks for attributing to me a load of cheap arguments I haven't even mentioned. Manager plus cash is what I said, and in that order. Not "cash = definitely win every single game ever" which is how you lamely decided to read it. And sorry, we are "really throwing money at getting ourselves back in the Premiership". In January we signed a player from a division above, for £1.75m who is clearly far too good for this division. And, having already one of the top five strikers in the league on our books we splashed out (wages primarily) on another top five striker who frankly we didn't really need, and he is on our bench most of the time. Pretty sure he'd stroll into any other top six team, including Leeds who wanted to buy him. Half of our bench would stroll into any bottom half CCC team, FFS. One of our reserves spent half the season in the CCC. We are chucking money around like it's going out of fashion.

You seem to be avoiding the fact that we have had instant success this season and it's down to > Pardew being perfectly capable of delivering success within 18 months, like all successful modern managers from Wenger to Moyes down to Phil Brown, Owen Coyle and Paul Lambert. > And the fact we have chucked money at the issue. Chucked money left right and centre at the best players in the division and at players better than this division. Sorry, it's not 1981 anymore. Successful managers deliver instantly. Money helps massively, especially in a division like League One. Fact, and fact. Pardew has done a brilliant job, we are top two challengers +10 points. But that achievement is not somehow divorced from the money we have chucked at the issue. It's a direct link. It winds me up when people desperately pretend that isn't the case and still make out that "money doesn't make any difference" when it is making a difference in front of our very eyes.

Quite. I've been slated all season for being a Pardew out person despite never, ever, once, ever saying anything even resembling anthing remotely close to "pardew out". Not once. Ever. All I've ever said was with the resources he has had we should expect a level of performance and results to reflect that. Standard targets you would expect anywhere, and at any football club. It's the "stick with the manager regardless" types that infect football clubs with the stench of complancey, laziness and blame-someone-else culture. Thankfully, Pardew and Cortese agree with me and not the "don't worry about winning, you've got a job for life" brigade.

A couple of posters who aren't exactly regulars posting in the heat of the moment on a post match thread. It's like the Branfoot campaign all over again There is no campaign to get Pardew out, it's just made up by people to give themselves the comfort blanket of "I told you so" superiority against some mythical uprising. But Pardew's success this season is not about "sticking with the manager" because he hasn't been here long enough to claim to have been stuck with. Nine odd months is not "sticking with the manager". Pardew has delivered instant success, the phrase that you and SOG and lots of other bores hate and pretend doesn't happen and doesn't exist. Well it does exist, at every single club that has had success in the last twenty years from Arsenal and Everton to Hull, Norwich, Forest, Leeds, Exeter and whoever else you want to name. And it's happened, this season with Pardew and Saints. Just as I said it would*. You get success in your first eighteen months or you don't get success at all. The sweet, sweet smell of instant success.

The only thing Roy Keane proves is your utter hypocrisy. If Keane was Saints manager and he had performed like that for us this season you'd be on here boring the arse off everyone about how brilliant he is doing and do you know that Lawrie Mac took blah blah blah blah blah and he must be given five more years blah blah Mourinho coulnd't do any better blah blah blah..kids today these days blah blah blah. But he's someone else's manager so you slag him off left right and centre. Much like your hypocrisy when you were using Chelsea as an example that money doens't buy success. Chelsea. Stretching the definition "no success" to absolute breaking point. But hey, just make any lame-ass contradictory argument to make the same of guff points you always do.

Only? That's as many as watch Eastenders or Coronation Street. Pretty astounding viewing figures by any measure, especially as it was pretty dull and very long.

I think you are over egging this massively - Churchill was a very old, alcoholic depressive but did okay when we needed him most. Charles Kennedy is no Churchill but there have been leaders and prime ministers with these kind of problems down the years. And were there a Leaders debate five years ago, Kennedy would have ****ed it against Howard and Blair. And I don't remember Kennedy saying he wanted out but was held in position against his will for Vince Cable's "electoral benefit". And I don't say this as a Lib Dem supporter, to make clear.

I thought it was pretty clear that my references to the three clubs and then the sentence about their league positions suggests that I was talking about their current league position and performance on the pitch. How on earth could you conclude that by "doing a Fulham" I was suggesting we move to a old ground smaller than St Mary's? And I don't agree that by "investing in the team" we are suddenly going to pull in enough regulars to justify a 45,000 seater stadium and the gigantic costs that would entail. Without investment in the team we finished eighth and got to the cup final and regardless of Cortese's ambition I don't think we can expect much better under this regime. Let's not kid ourselves we're destined for top four. We're not. Like it or not year three or four in the Prem will see crowds settle at 30,000 week in week out. If we are selling out with a waiting list then lets look at a stadium. We got good gates previously in the Prem, but we didn't have a ST waiting list and that's the kind of demand we'd need to justify moving away from a stadium which is still essentially brand new. But it is not as simple as more money > more success > more fans when we're back in the Premier League.