CB Fry

5 UKIP MPs alongside 300 Tory MPs is not going to create an extreme government. Likewise, 5 Greens alongside 300 Labour MPs is not going to create an extreme government either. You're using the words "minority" and "concession" but don't seem to understand what they mean. You don't turn a centre left or centre right majority party into some rabid left- or right- wing extreme government through "concessions" to a "minority". A Labour Prime Minister with 300 MPs behind him is not going to "concede" to 5 frigging Greens and say "okay, you win, we'll scrap Trident and renationalise all the energy companies. And shut down Eton." The concession will be - yes, Caroline Lucas, you can be junior minister of state for higher education and yes, you can write a green paper on wind turbines which we might read.

Why would it be a choice between hardline left and hardline right? The British population haven't elected a hardline left or hardline right party at any point in the last century, so why on earth would they start once PR was brought in? As others have said - it doesn't happen on the continent (where all major states have elected extreme parties in the last century) so it's even less likely to happen in Britain with tribal cynicism hardwired into our culture. And with PR meaning every vote counting, why on earth would the major parties retreat to the fringes? British politics has been a land grab for the centre ground for the last thirty years and PR would only exacerbate that.

Which is fine, but you are a pioneer in thinking that proportional representation brings about radical politics. Everyone else on both sides of the PR debate from passionately for to rabidly against would agree it does nothing of the sort. Everyone (except you) who is vehemently opposed to PR hates it because it creates coalition, compromised mush of a government with no clear political vision with each government an inch left or right of the one before it. And those that support it do so because it creates a government of plurality, of lots of different voices compromising and it prevents radical government. So you are clearly a visionary because you're out there on your own on this one.

So what you seem to be saying is PR will deliver more decisive government than the current system which delivers middle ground fudge? I have never heard one opponent of PR ever use that argument before now and it certainly isn't the argument the Tories are using.

This is a most bizarre set of assumptions of what a PR-driven house of commons would bring about. PR by its nature will force compromise and coalition. You'll get extreme parties in the commons - you might get a Green MP and a BNP MP but not swathes of them. And it certainly won't make the middle ground any less attractive, because most of the country are in the middle ground. And, again, you've started a thread based on tonight's headlines with your usual "ah-haaaaaaaaaa" finality. Nothing is "categorically stated" until the dust clears which might not be until a week after the ballot. It's the tightest election campaign for a generation - expect quite a lot of flex and flux for the next week and a half. You're going to have to roll with it.

Fair enough but I think we're going to end up with weak government anyway. A victorious Brown or Cameron will have bugger all discipline with the puny majorities they can only wish for at this stage, and the loons on the extremes of those parties will have a bloody field day running rings round the whips.

It's a self defeating argument. British Parlimentary democracy is not designed for coalition government, so when there has been coalitions they are seen by all parties as "broken" pretty much at point of birth and they don't last long as a result. There are plenty of non coalition governments that have "failed" as well - Wilson/Callaghan in the late seventies, Major from 1992, the Tory administrations of the fifties. If we end up with a coalition this time, it will probably last for eighteen months tops. But I'd expect an election in October this year, especially if we end up with some co ck-eyed coalition with a Labour prime minister who didn't even take part in the leadership debates (not the likeliest outcome, but not impossible).

If you call winning the second world war a failure then yes, you're right.

Au contraire. You're following things far too closely and getting over excited by isolated quotes. If you think Mandelson and Brown were "quite content" a couple of days ago then I don't think you're following politcal events at all, especially if you are using the Di-ly Express as your primary source of news as your avatar suggests. Both main parties are simultaneously delivering the message of "vote for us, a vote for the third party lets the other lot in" as well as leaving enough wriggle room to deliver a compromise that will deliver their man to Downing Street. This hasn't really changed much since Cleggmania kicked off a couple of weeks ago.

Not noticed that at the same time Cameron has begun cosying up to Clegg as well in recent interviews? I love the fact you see seismic conspiracy in every single quote. Madelson gives a quote to a Mirror Group Newspaper along the lines of "vote Labour". Who'd have seen that coming?

No, but then nothing is guaranteed for anyone at anytime anywhere. We'll be favourites.

Sounds a lot like the pompous "reality checks" we had in August when those oh-so-jolly-clever people decreed that anyone saying we could challenge for the play offs this season needed a "reality check" when all we could expect for 2009-2010 was simply to stave off relegation. Well they were completely wrong then, and you're wrong now. We'll be red hot favourites to win the league next season, not according to Saints fans, but according to everyone. That's reality.

Whereas people who spend their time t w atting off on fantasy land football management simulators are infallable experts.

Lee Holmes was just like Robben as well.

Which is fine. I'm not questioning the decision at all. But having a sub on/off the pitch for twenty minutes is a conversation point. It just is. Pardew could have answered it better but he was clearly angry with himself that they didn't do the job so came across a bit arsey. Perfectly understandable. Anyway, I have contributed enough to this thread.

That's what I think too. People like the ones who take one pretty tame post match question and turn it into a conspiracy against SFC by, er, Radio Solent. Any chance you'll ever explain what Solent's "agenda" and what their "grievances" are? It's you making something out of nothing, Prof.

Hmmm. Looks a bit thin on first read. Nice try from the Telegraph but Brown and Cameron can't use it tomorrow night because they'll just be throwing stones in their own glass house. Anything like this falls into the "they're all as bad as each other" white noise. Can't see this being a game changer.

Topline answer to the three questions posed. Football Players and Football Agents, Redknapp, Storrie. Redknapp and Storrie's contacts, the "how" is anyone's guess and would make you weep I'm sure. Because Storrie was the chief exec. The owners ins/outs is one thing, but the answer to the question who has actually made any money is pretty clear. Footballers and their agents.

This is a fair point and a reasonable fear. Hence why getting the job done this season was so critical, but alas not to be. Another season in L1 may be a lot to stomach for a couple of promising AMs and a 28 year old striker who has proven all he has to prove at this level. But despite all this I think we will be top 2 next season. Winning is in our bones now and some ins/outs won't change it.

Stick the kids out for the JPT, shouldn't be on the radar next season. We should be champions, but top two and automatic is the expectation. We will have every single resource we could wish for and now is the time. We can't play the unlucky underdog card that some are still trying to play for us even now.

He is but is desperate to demonstrate his knowledge which, in interviews, results in him taking five minutes to ask one question.

That's completely what it sounded like in the first half, especially, and then it snowballed in the second. But in the last minutes then it was (bad) luck as it was rattling around like a pinball. At the end of the day we couldn't have done much more last night, or this season.

Not sure it was luck or bad luck. Just the weight of the challenge of us winning, what, eight games in a row to the end of the season. Just a bit too much to do in a short amount of time and the pressure told.

In your opinion. You might try and lord it, but you aint Arsene Wenger my old son. You're not even Lew Chatterley. Asking a sensible question - why sub a sub - was a perfectly normal thing to do. What freaking "agenda" is Solent working to now? And what "grievances" have they got? Is "Paranoia" a key part of the Pro Licence course you did? I think you need a bit of real life experience mush. You don't know it all from sewing a fabric badge on your tracksuit. Maybe, maybe not. The list of reasons for taking him off sound like quite good reasons to not put him on a whole twenty minutes earlier. But I'm not bothered about the decision, just the reporters right to ask about it. I never question any decision any manager makes during a match. People probably think I do but I don't. For your info, Radio Solent is not "Football Expert Only FM" for people writing a thesis on the catenaccio system. It is, hilariously enough, mainly for people not at the game. You know, radio isn't really a visual medium. Didn't they teach you anything at Ball-bag college?

Yeah, because I've not said anything like what 70s Mike has said on this thread.... Look at me Pardew bashing Just read what you want to read you bunch of planks.