Daren W

Read my posts. I never said I agreed with his actions, I think he made a mistake, but manipulating FA RULES is wrong... If Lowe had thrown coins then yes the reaction would be hysterical, does that mean that manipulating FA RULES is now acceptable?? It's not.... And again, how many games do you go to? If you want to throw around the term plastic then it's only right we know how many games you attend? (Plymouth games don't count)

There's a company down Empress road, just down from Hodges car mechanics. They did a big banner for my mates for the Cardiff final...

But it wasn't and unfortunately the people who could have asked and forced the questions we needed answering, walked out. Unfortunately the people who should have been answering questions were either cowardly assholes hiding away with "family commitments" or brazenly enflaming the situation by baiting the opposition. From both sides of the fence it was an absolute farce...

I've seen Rich at loads of games at St Marys... not this season but certainly many last year.. How many do you go to? Numbers please...

And likewise I don't like the way this club has been ripped apart by Lowe, Wilde and co... If you can't differentiate between a matchday and a meeting and use the FA rulings to fit a non matchday event then you really shouldn't be out in daylight. It's using the terms of the law to fit his own agenda and using the term football ground so as to enforce the law onto Chorley is pathetic. If Chorley had chucked a few coins at me in the pub would he be banned from football? NO A gross manipulation of footballing laws and regulations...

And people will do and not one of them would have the balls to criticise him to his face. On a personal note I can't help but think that Rich played right into Lowe's hands and that Lowe will milk this for all it's worth. On paper 30 pieces of silver may have sounded good but the reality was something very different and all too easy to twist and manipulate into something else. Should have saved them for Mike Wilde really....

The whole debacle is just pathetic. The official site's spin on the meeting was just utterly, utterly shameful... Whther or not you like or agree with Rich, to liken his symbolic gesture to "coin throwing" is just laughable. To then make that the only point of any note is just censorship. The official site has to give a fair and balanced report on the matter and to put it as "At today's AGM, Richard Chorley, who attended the meeting as a shareholder's proxy, had to be removed from the Itchen Suite after he ran to the top table and threw a handful of coins at PLC Chairman Rupert Lowe and Senior Steward Beth Rowley. Throwing coins is regarded as a serious offence at football matches. Fans who carry out this sort of behaviour are prosecuted and if convicted receive a national football banning order for a minimum of three years and a criminal record." is very serious indeed. Should Chorley be subjected to any of the above then I, and this just my own opinion, would think long and hard about ever going to St Marys again. Not because of some misguided support of Rich, he can look after himself, but as someone who thinks the club has overreacted and then given a big brother like edited version of what happened at the AGM so as make it appear that Chorley almost assaulted Lowe. Coin throwing? Coin tossing in the general direction of more like... More than just this happened at the meeting and yet Lowe has presented this grossly edited version that makes no mention of the walk out or the views of the other shareholders. This the official Southampton FC football website. It is not Rupert Lowe's private PR site.....

Well it's not meant to be you amigo.... Ever watch Harry Enfield? He's a character on that... lol

Surely the question is right now, who's in favour of Rupert Lowe? Last year we all thought things couldn't get any worse... How wrong were we?

Has anyone ever relayed this to Scooby or Sundance? Ever?

With Lowe and Wilde in charge, the fans aren't important at all..

Well I'm just a fan/customer... You'd do well to ask the people being paid to be in charge... It's rather like asking Woolworth customers to sort their mess out..

The problem some people have on here is that they refuse to see Wilde and Lowe as being the real problem.... "So who would you have then smart arse?" they'd reply. Well the problem is that as a club we are a good proposition, a good investment... As a PLC we are a ****ing disaster... If I had £50 million I'd be steering well clear of Saints too as the people in charge are would actively put me off. The split in the boardroom is so devisive, so deep, that I believe it puts people off.

Now rather than pick away at the people who want to, quote, hurl vitriol at their new favourite target, might it not make sense to chat about why he's their new favourite target? Or is it better to discuss the symptom rather than the cause??

Absolutely. I want them gone. More than you could ever possibly know. With those two at the helm of this club I feel physically isck... However... Unti you can deliver the following for me I do not want adminsitraion under any circumstance... Until you can tell me, with some degree of certainty, that adminstration will not devastate this club then I will continue to disagree with you on the subject... Just far, far too many if's for my liking..

That being the case then I'd go with the self made millionaire as opposed to the one who got rich using Saints...

But... 1)There's no guarantee that Lowe and Wilde will be gone... 2) If we're crap right now, how the blue hell can we survive in League with the only decent players we have, gone??? 3) If we're moaning about football now, what will we be saying when we're fighting a 15 point penalty? Administration will send this club to league 2 for certain. One more bad season and we're Conference. And that my friend is a stone cold fact and there's no getting away from it. With the greatest respect, it's naive to think you just waive an administration wand and the bad guys disappear, the crowds return and we start the long road back to glory. We won't. We will be completely and utterly ****ed...

Interesting... And in and around that wonderful observation did you ever think that his leaving in the first place had any effect either?? Ok so it gave us Strachan but that was more luck than judgement. Hoddle is absolved of any contribution to our decline whatsoever? Whatever...

Valid point when you consider we went with Wilde under the assumption that "Anything other than Lowe" was the way to go. It wasn't. Just as anyone other than Burley wasn't the way to go. Like it or under him, failure was not making the playoffs. No one serious had us a relegation candidates. We are now. But that said, things cannot go on the way they are. You evoke some strong emotions here by calling those fans giving up as cowards and then suggest we stay with the staus quo. Is that not another form of cowardice? Is sticking with something that clearly isn't working not cowardly? Is simply stating "we can't afford anything better" not just sticking your head in the sand and hoping things get better? There seems to be this mentality that getting rid of a manager that isn't working is somehow weak. We'll think nothing of dropping or transfer listing a player that isn't right for the team, why not the manager? It's not bad luck to sack a manager that isn't right for the club, you won't get 7 years bad luck for it. I like Portvliet, I like his attitude but for the life of me I don't get this one formation home and away nonsense and I refuse to accept that fear of failure is what's stalling our home form. It's playing a formation that works well away from home but is just being picked away at at home. We have no plan B, if that's the right word for it. We have a formation and that's it. It's naive and child like and belongs in Championship manager with the people who don't have the imagination, the know how or the balls to do something different. I just feel no affinity to this club any more. Its arrogant and out of touch with it's customers and thinks that the threat of administration and the lack of money can excuse all sorts of incompetence and idiocy. This board got us relegated. This board has continually ****ed up and is directly responsible for the plight we're in today. For them to now sit in their ivory towers, safe in the knowledge that their shares in the club will keep them in power is, to be truthful, rather sickening. And for the record administration is not the way forward either. If we're ****ed off and dismayed at this level of perfomance, how would they feel at having 7 points from the same amount of games, in League One???? Administraion would be suicide for this club and, as with Leeds, there's no guarantee we'd be rid of Lowe or Wilde either... .. and god knows, for this club to advance further, those two have got to go....

So with a possible sell out does anyone think that we've finally found our pricing level??

All of which were interviewed for the job at St Marys too... But sadly all of which had a pedigree in top flight football... Sorry, what was your point again?

More importantly, just why does this chancer still have any say in this club whatsoever? What I just can't handle is the way the people involved in this whole farce seem to walk around as if their actions had no impact on the demise of this club. Both Wilde and Lowe seem to put the blame firmly at Crouch's doorstep. Yes he was naive but to blame him is rather like the captain of the Titanic, as it's just about to sink into oblivion, turning around to the chief petty officer and saying "Well this is all your fault..." We were relegated under Lowe, the fantastic finacial structure he had on place was so strong and secure that one season without Sky money and we're in total meltdown. Wilde then took what little we had and blew it. For years we bought on the cheap under the impression that we had a strong finacial structure in place and could, if the worst came to the worst, survive by living within our means. One season without the parachute payments and we're facing administration in the face, at least Leeds had some glory to look back on... It just seems to me that Wilde is having the most expensive free lunch in footballing history. Part of me, a very very small part of me, hopes we do go into administration just so the likes of Lowe and Wilde can lose everything. All we seem to see is the two of them swanning around in the executive area, quaffing free champagne and free food, enjoying the attention and qudos of being big players in a small arena, fiddling whilst Rome burns. They've not actually put a real penny of their money into the club, it's all tied up in shares. They may well be bought out but none of them want to lose money on their investment. Oh how delicious it would be if their share became worthless and they were left with nothing. Now that really would be the most expensive free lunch in history..

Threads like this are well and good but when your club is.. Facing administration Winning one game at home by Christmas 4th from bottom of the Championship Made up from youth team players and loanees Have a manager with no English experience what so ever Have two chairmen who are probably two of the most disliked people ever to be associated with the club Have no visible way out of the quagmire that is Championship football at what stage do we stop being miserable and pessimistic? At what point are we allowed to feel in any way shape or form, optimistic about this club? It just seems to me that there are far too many people on here moaning about negative fans than actually looking at why this club is faltering and failing. "It's down to poor attendances, it's down to whinging fans..." No it's not.. It's down to: A chairman that thought he could run the club on the cheap and whose meddling and interfering were major factors in our getting relegated Another chairman who created chaos by usurping the above chairman when he didn't have a plan A let alone a plan B and spent most of his time avoiding tax in Jersey A manager in Redknapp who just didn't care A manager in Burley who just couldn't cope and a manger in Poortvliet who has no experience in English football and just doesn't know how to grind out results in this tough, mean league.. It's not down to fans being negative or staying away from St marys, They're the symptom. There are people on here who seem to think the symptom's more important than the cause. No wonder we're in such disarray...

It depends my friend... If you already had all the equipment needed to scale the Eiger and then chose not to use it then you're a bit of a plank. Lowe had Pearson and chose not to use him... Ergo, Lowe is a plank....

But if you ask some posters on here you'd swear that Pearson was the anti christ, a one dimensional bootboy who'd pack the team with expensive, old players... Time will view Nigel Pearson quite kindly I think....