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That being the case, how come this amazing power the fans have hasn't been used to exert more influence on what we want? It appears fans have an influence on some things but when it comes to giving us what we want the board gets remarkably deaf...

With that in mind I'd be really interested to hear what the more rabid pro Lowe posters make of that? Making the same mistake not once, not twice but three times now?

Sorry but just how has he been let down by the fans??? If anything, Poorvleilt got a far smoother run than his formn as manager deserved. Any other manager would have would been under immense pressure ages ago, if anything it's Jan's likeability that kept in a job far longer than his form merited. What confuses me is how he was up for the fight on Monday and on Friday he was resigning... This has Lowe's influence written all over it... Seriously did anyone think they'd feel lower than they did on Saturday?

You all might do well to remember how Mick Denis had a pop at Saints hosting the England Macedonia game years back... He also had a pop at Le Tiss too.... Total, Norwich supporting, tool..

So who was the Farmer? (god this conversation sounds weird)

And this comes from someone who posts under a pseudonym? lol Ok, once again, this is the board of this football club playing silly buggers on an internet messageboard. Does that not strike you as behaviour unbecoming of a football chairman/director???? So Keith Legg gave Wilde a favourable ride on an internet forum, do you not find it unbelievably childish that Wilde went on to post under another name praising himself??? Do you not find it unbelievably childish that Lowe can't face matters face on and had to rely on PR firms posting fake rubbish masquerading as real fans on an internet forum? I think you ought to wake up and take a long, serious look at the people who run this club and the way they behave... Accept that if you will...

I'm completely confused... lol

The Farmer?

Hold on how come Matt (fill in the blanks) is a censored name on this forum???

****, you're NOT Matt Paul? lol Whoops! I'll edit the post then!

Bern, no one is saying that if yo can't afford to go then you're not a proper fan or can't discuss the club but you're way off base with this "Away supporters put money in other clubs pockets" bullsheet as you can't wipe out a hundred years of away support as being somehow disloyal to the club as it's not their revenue... I fully understand your reasons for not going but Matt's reasons for not going to St Marys are just as viable and just as valid. You just can't criticise someone for not going to a game when you don't either. It's hypocritical. Whether you like it or not Matt's paying money to watch his club. He's made a conscious decision as t o where he spends his money as have you....

I think it's important to bring this up again. We've had so many of the pro Lowe camp ridiculing those posters who question the validity of some on here as possible plants. It's all too easy to mock but we tend to forget that both Wilde and lowe have either posted on here themselves pretending to be someone else and praising themselves or hiring PR companies to do the same. It's unbelievable that the people who run this club can behave in such a childish, immature way... The pro Lowe camp would do well to remember that...

With that being the case how come you don't go to games then Bern? You can't criticise people for not giving the club revenue when you don't go yourself!

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Been saying this for years. Remember all too well how arrogant the club were when they banned my mate Carlo for moment of minor stupidity that intelligent stewardship might handled easily, took away his season ticket at a cost of £150 to him and then told him they might allow him to renew next season! That cost the club his and his wife's tickets as they were so disgusted they never renewed.. Customers when it suits them... Fans when it suits them... Sorry Rupert, sorry Mike... but it doesn't suit a lot of people right now...

But I don't want him to jump ship again! It was his inability to grow a pair that got us in this mess in the first place. He ousted Lowe, then ousted Crouch, could he seriously jump ship again and have the slightest shred of credibility??? No, I want them both out with Crouch to take over until a new man's in place. It's the only solution...

Useless up front. You pass the ball to them you get it straight back...

Sat in the Kingsland for the very first time I was actually glad I wasn't in the Northam... Terrible, terrible scenes... The point is that Rupert is now reaping what he's sown... For the last few years we've been customers as opposed to fans. As fans you have got some minor moral duty to get behind the boys and be the twelve/thirteenth/fourteenth or whatever man... As a customer you've paid your money for a product and if that product is sheete then you have every right to voice your opinion. Sorry Nick but Lowe has no one to blame but himself for this shambolic mess. He had a product that worked with Pearson but he just HAD to meddle with it and have things his way... He's got things his way and it's a total mess. There's no turning back now and he and Wilde just HAVE to resign, allow Crouch to oversee the club and then appoint a new chairman. They don't have to have money, Lowe didn't when he came here, they just have to do better than the current shower... Chuckle Brothers it is then...

Now for that alone you re a ****ing liar... The only, only person who drags that up is you, every single ****ing time. Check my posts, check your posts, and you'll see that it's you who drags my personal circumstances up, every single ****ing time you mention me. Believe you me, the very last thing I want to talk about is cancer but it appears you cannot talk about Saints without snide comments about me or my personal circumstances. The point you continually ignore is the very fact that the club just couldn't be arsed to reply to a very civil, very reasonable request to help raise money for charity. They couldn't be arsed to arranged a ****ing shirt signing for a lady who we all thought wouldn't see the new year in. Three weeks after ignoring two requests for help (not money) and a single request for ten minutes of the club's time and get a shirt signed for a woman with a terminal disease, I finally got a letter from the club. A season ticket renewal form. "well Mr Wheeler, we can't be arsed to help you raise money for cancer research and we can't be arsed be take and pen and get a shirt signed but is there any chance you can pay for all your games in advance this year???" You can guess my reply. My decision was mine and my absolute right to pay how I see fit and was posted on a thread in which people were asked if they were renewing their season tickets or not. It would appear in your sad and ridiculous world I'm not allowed my view without constant barracking or verbal bullying or out and out blantant lies. Cut and paste the above as I really, really, can't be arsed to reply to the blatant ****ing lies and provocation you post week after week. And as the "veiled threats of violence" is that your stock reply when I accuse you of being an abject coward? No threats, you could bring as many friends as you want to, to as as populated and safe a venue as you could name to ensure the bad man doesn't hurt you. I just wanted to see you be insulting, derogitory and brave when the person is in front of you as opposed to behind a pc screen miles away in complete cotton wool wrapped safety. But despite requests and warnings you just couldn't resist one last snipe... With that one post you've just gone too damn far... So consider this, as you're probably still lurking as opposed to posting now... I'm not going to rest until I've met you face to face. When I do find out who you are and where you live... I'm going to ****ing well batter you... Enjoy...

Care to say that to my face Sumdunce? Oh I'm sorry, you only possess testicles whilst online.... cluck cluck cluck...

Care to say that to my face Sumdunce? Oh I'm sorry, you only possess testicles whilst online.... cluck cluck cluck...

You know, as soon I read Robbie's posts and saw his use of the word cancer and saw you'd replied I just knew you'd mention me.. I'd have put money on you baiting, harranging, taunting "the guy whose mother has cancer," You just couldn't resist it... So, trying to raise money for cancer research is tin rattling and trying to get people to think of a bigger picture and not to not use the word cancer so freely when refering to old man who may or may not be earning money you think he doesn't merit... Watching people get all uptight and furious over that and pointing out how sad and pathetic that is, that classes me as "unhinged" does it? What a charmer you are... For yor information, and again I don't know how many times times I need to say this before it hits home, but my dealings with a terminal disease in my family haven't "unhinged me" they've shown me there are more important things in life than football and messageboards. I'd be a liar if said that getting up every morning, going downstairs and wondering if I'll find my mother alive or dead took its toll on me but it also gave me an appreciation of life, of relationships and how ****ing petty and ridiculous people like you are. That said I'd rather be "unhinged" than be a cowardly internet messgageboard trawler like you who only possesses testicles when sat behind a pc. I remember all too well how big and brave you were on Essru's messageboard, having cheap pops at me and calling a tin rattler and then how quiet you got when I pulled you up on it on this board. Very big at cheap insults when you think I'm not looking but very very quiet when confronted about them. Again Sundance, if you want to get personal, and drag every thread you can into some sort of personal dig at me, knock yourself out... But do it to my face.. Remember this, you can't keep your identity on here a secret for ever, Scooby proved that and one day, maybe not now, maybe weeks, months, in the future, people on here will find out your real identity... And when they do, believe you me, there'll be one "unhinged" tin rattler knocking on your door.... Want to open it? Leave the personal digs at home, discuss the footballing matters at hand or we will have words... Got it? Mods?

Unbelievable... So ousting Lowe was the act that has shamed us all into silence? Truly unbelievable... The prospect of a second relegation, public/press humiliation, adminstration, the loss of every half decent player we have, the potential winding up of this football club isn't shameful but ousting an unpopular, devisive, incompetent chairman is??? Truly, truly unbelievable... So presiding, potentially, over two relegations isn't shameful enough then? At what stage are some of Lowe's most rabid supporters ever going to accept that it was Lowes actions, Lowe's meddling and Lowe's infrastructure that has reduced this club to a farcical mess? Hell no, let's just blame the fans, blame Leon Crouch for four months work and do just about anything other than blame Rupert Lowe... If Poortvleit haas the dubious honour of failing then at least he will have achieved one thing that Chorley and co found so very difficult. He will have made it virtually impossible to Rupert Lowe to stay at Southampton Football Club..

Oh for ****s sake... Did you or Sundance ever read the reasons why I deceided not to renew my season ticket or did the two of you just take your dislike of me and run with it? For the 100th time... I did not renew my season ticket, not because I threw my toys out of the pram when they didn't support my proposed Cancer Charity drive or that they wouldn't give me money or anything else like that. I'm not renewing because they didn't have the decency to just reply. I pretty much accepted that they have their designated charities and wouldn't be able to help but at the very least I expected a polite rebuff, a reply. To not even bother to reply is just plain, ****ing ignorant. The icing on the cake came when they didn't even bother to arrange to get my mother's shirt signed. Cost to the club? Nothing. We didn't think she'd see in the new year, so would it be that hard to arrange something?? No and it was left to Dave Ford to arrange something. Now you can write this off, as Sundance did, as me hitting out and being unreasonable but when you ask the club for HELP to raise money for Cancer research is it asking that much to expect a reply? Is it asking too much to get a dying woman's shirt signed? I never expected to get a Sainthood for trying but I never expected some arsehole to criticise me for trying to raise money for charity and hope that the club might have the sheer common decency to reply to me!! To add insult to injury, just two weeks after ignoring those two, very simple requests, the club then send me season ticket renewal forms... To me that just says, "Well we couldn't be bothered to answer you requests to HELP raise money for cancer research and we couldn't be bother to get you terminally ill mother's shirt signed at not cost to us... But is there any chance you could pay for all your games in one go this season???" You know what the reply was, and throughly deserved too... I notice you neatly avoid the uber fans comments. No doubt you could find no sign of any post where I have ever claimed to be a better fan than anyone else. That's because doing Beautiful South showed me so many fans whose dedication to the club puts mine to shame. I never missed a home game in ten years but I met people like Jan Formby who bleed red and white, who despite really diagreeing with the board and the club itself still pay their money and go as Saints are their lifelong passion. The way you seem to write off my opinions as an "Uber fan" and conveniently forget that a) My opinion has never been more important than anyone else and that I have b) I'm just as entitled as anyone to express an opinion, writing for the Echo or not. In regards to your attendance. Don't try and play the "I used to attend a lot" card as it doesn't wash with me as you have very publicly stated on here that you won't go as the football is ****e. You no doubt went when the football was Premier league ****e but not now when it's Championship ****e and that says more about you and some of the more fickle fans than anything else. You don't even know what your stance is supposed to be. One minutes it's "and now, I dont bother due to the mess" but you've very publicly stated you can't be bothered as the football's ****e! Which one is it? Principle or laziness? I'd hazard a guess and say, that like quite a few on here, not attending allows you mouth off about the club without actually having too put your hand in your pocket. You've completely forgotten that you questioned Chroley's attendance, you mocked him as being plastic and then throw a hissy fit when someone dares to simply ask..."Well how many games do you go to?" All of this attendance ******** with you goes back to the Saintsforever days when I complained that Season ticket holders were getting a poor deal in the Championship. 7 games into the new season and reduced prices were being introduced which was a kick in the teeth for season ticket holders who had shown faith in the club and paid in advance. Season ticket holders are the lifeblood of the club, I said, and you **** them off at your peril. If I remember rightly you then went off on yet another "Oh so your a better fan" ******** and basically stated that if season ticket holders didn't like it then tough. I think that now I've been proved to bang on the money. This club has treated all fans with complete and utter contempt and their chickens are coming home to roost. People are just fed up being treated like idiots/scum and are voting with their feet. I remember all too well how I was ridiculed by some on here when I took a stand in my Echo column for my friend Carlo who was ejected from the ground for putting one foot on the red tarmac in a fit of red mist during a game. He was then banned for the rest of the season 6 games, at over £150 worth of missed games, and then told they might allow him to renew next season. He didn't, his wife didn't and the club lost some £1500 a year when a bit of common sense would have said he made one daft mistake, a ban to the end of the season was harsh and unnecessary. This club has become arrogant and unpleasant and the ever dwindling attendances are not just a refelection of Championship football but many, many fans who are sick and tired of the way the club looks down on them. Lowe's behaviour at the AGM showed that in absolute spades. Rather than try and reason with fans and instigate some sense of peace he starts the meeting off controversially and deliberately casues chaos which other parties react to and do exactly wants he wants and leaves... For the final time, you don't have to attend games to have an opinion on saints. Some of the best friends I've made are with people who on a Saturday evening ask me for the football results and ask, "How did we do?" when I never even knew they supported Saints. I didn't care if they went to games but it generated the basis of a good friendship. I don't care how you support your club as long as you do... However, the moment you start to criticise others for their attendance or tell everyone how they should support their club or offer the gospel accoding to you as to how the club should run, then people are fully enetitled to say, "Well what do you do for the club?" In your case... not a lot, unless paying £5 to messageboard, posting 2000 times and mocking on a regular basis is considered to be enough. If so, your fuicking marvelous....

I'm instigating a ****ing competition??? ****ing priceless, what a prize tool you are... You start having a pop at Chorley's attendance at games. I'm fully entitled to ask the same question of you but I'm instigating a pssing competetion and you're just what? Being a prize **** as always.. How typical... you lose the argument and then uber me up... lmfao It's all too typical isn't it? As soon as someone mentions attendance we get chumps like Dulldays going on about "Who's the best fan"? They then drag in people who, for legitimate reasons, can’t go to games anymore, money, family, job, location etc and hide behind them trying to insinuate that if I criticise the uber online fans like Dulldays for never going to games I’m somehow slating these fans as well. Forget “Who’s the best fan” and try “who contributes to the club”? Not some Plymouth based numpty who’s always found online on matchdays and only ever attends games in his neck of the woods… and has the brass nerve to mock people who won’t attend the Plymouth game… How you, of all people, can call any fan plastic is beyond me.. Effing priceless!! lmao And as for the uber fan tag, let’s put that one to sleep for once and for all. I started a fanzine, I got a gig writing for the Echo. The only person making a big deal out of it is you. The “man” whose sole contribution is to mock online… Whoopee flaming doo… The only person here who thinks his opinion is more important is you, you with your 2,000 posts and dull, dull threads you start every single flaming day. The only one showing off is you. Find me one post, just one post where I claim to be a better fan than anyone else? One post? Go on Einstein, one post where I claim to be better than anyone else, speak for anyone else? You won’t, because I never do. The only people who react to these perceived ****ing competitions are the likes of you, you barely attend any games. You’re the one mocking Chorley for a perceived lack of attendance, the moment someone (me) asks how many you go to and you get all prissy and defensive. You're pathetic. I'm laughing at you... And as for questioning why you only ever seem to go to games at Plymouth? It's one game a ****ing year Einstein. You're doing it again, trying to drag other people into your argument... "See that? That Daren Wheeler's trying to say some games don't matter?" Be a man for once, fight your own corner... I go to five away games a year and until this year, every home game. You drag yourself to one game a year on your doorstep, carp on like feck about it on the post match thread and give us the gospel according to Dulldays for every other game. And if you want to go on about my “personal reasons" sailor boy, I'll say the same to you as I said to Sundance. I have my peronal reason why I go game by game now instead of renewing my season ticket. You mock that reason then you do that to my ****ing face. How about sometime at St Marys? Say it to my face rather than online sailorboy. Oops, fat chance of that eh? Actually getting to game beyond Devon or Cornwall... Get back to being an “online personality” and leave Rich Chorley alone...