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So in other words you have no answer... lol Pearson will go up to the Championship, pass us by, as the manager of the league 1 winners. He'll let that one statistic do all the talking whilst you blow hot air...

Please tell me what argument you've won? Ever? The family silver? Oh you just get more and more hilarious... We had little choice in changing management? Even more hilarious. This years relegation is due to the fans and the demonstrations? COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE AND SO BLINKERED AND RETARDED AS TO BE OFFENSIVE. You really do need to have a look at yourself as you're not half as witty, intelligent or thought provoking as you seem to think you are. You can cut and paste googled quotes but people see you for what you are.. A wind up merchant, one that the admin should really see for what it is and forget this "freedom of speech" nonsense and just ban you for once and for all... Please carry on with the doctor martins quips. I haven't forgotten the quips and insults on Essru's site. Using my mum's cancer and my efforts to raise money for charity to poke fun of me and insult me. Like I said before, your identity will come out sooner or later and you can insult me to my face. You can look forward to that I promise...

Good reply. Yes my views on Lowe are strong. My views on most things are strong, that's me. I'm either full on or not at all. If that upsets people then so be it but I'll not apologise for being an "all in" sort of man. The problem lies with intrangagence on all sides. There is a definite element who have always hated Lowe, even when he was doing well, and the current collapse brings about a large dose of "I told you so." I didn't tell you so. I certainly didn't in Cardiff, or didn't at St Marys when we played Steau or when Strachan took us to 4th in the Premiership. But for this club to truly move on people have to accept blame. Lowe needs to accept blame as this season has been a complete and utter disaster of his making. Yes Wilde has most definitedly ****ed up too and so has Crouch but at least Crouch is man enough to admit his mistakes and goes up immensely in my estimation. Other people need to accept blame as well. Crouch has apologised. Lowe has become Pol Pot and Wilde is once more the invisible man... Now where is Guy Askham???

Here's a funny thing Mike, the ones excuse that always being trotted out when we screwed up at games with 20,000 attendances plus was that the boys were intimidated by the big crowds/big games. Now it appears that the games of 20,000 less are also to blame for our demise... Perhaps the pro Lowe brigade have an optimum crowd figure? Get the crowds to 23,449 and we're cooking on gas...

Oh for ****s sake will you retract your head out of this proverbial sand and realise that the reason we were in "debt" was that Lowe's disasterous mismangement got us relegated and cost us a Sky income of over £20 million a year??? We overspent chasing promotion... At least we ****ing well tried! Compare that to the season under Wilde's mob, at least we got to the playoffs! With Lowe's first season in the championship we operated on the cheap yet again and lost the best man to get us out of this league to our most bitter rivals!! Yes, we borrowed but I'd argue that if Lowe had made a better fist of our first season with Redknapp then perhaps we might not have had to gamble and might have gone up on the first attempt... According to you Rupert Lowe is Southampton Pol Pot. His rule, his responsibility started afresh this season and everything that preceded is forgotten (Apart from the mistakes other people have made) Perhaps we should all check our tickets. Do they say, "Southampton FC season year Zero." It makes me laugh when the pro Lowe brigade spout off that stay away fans are to blame for our financial meltdown. Those 10,000 missing fans are to blame! The phrase "head in the sand is often used." I wonder if that head was placed in said sand when reviewing the way the club was run? They may say stayaway fans have damaged this club, what damage was done by fans who buried their head in the sand and saw nothing wrong with Lowe's second tenure at the club? To me those that fiddled whilst Rome burned are just as culpable as those who stayed away.... But the pro Lowe don't want to hear that, they're rather like Lowe himself. Everyone else is to blame for the current state of affairs but them....

Utter ********. I'm an Anti Lowe extremist? You obviously have no recollection of the ill feeling between Beautiful South and the Ugly Inside where I was viewed very much as being pro Lowe. I've just had enough, a lot of people feel the same way. I gave Lowe chance after chance after chance and he blew it. Just because I've had enough of the man don't you dare paint me as being an "Anti Lowe Extremist." For someone who likes to tell us things aren't "Black and white" you do like to objectify people as being pro or anti Lowe. At the begining of the season I wasn't anti Lowe, it took the unbelievably poor decisions he's made this season to push me to where I am now. I'll say it again, we are going down, NOT because of administration or debt but because of the shambolic mess on the pitch and Lowe was the sole architect of that. He took a team on the up after a last gasp last day win and undid everything by bringing in a manager WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL LET ALONE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL. He took every good memory of that last gasp win against Sheffield and ****ed on it from a great height and for that and his unbelievable ability to blame everyone apart from himself, I now despise the man. As for Wotte... So If Wotte was lowe's first choice why the bloody hell did he hire Poortvielt over him??? some people would say Wotte didn't want it? But he would with the club second from bottom in freefall??? Nonsense. Or did Lowe feel some loyalty to the man? I'd much rather he put the clubs best interests first rather than some jaded sense of loyalty. Yet more imcompentance... But hell, let's just gloss over the one of many decisions that has probably cost us relegation this season. Let's just agree with Lowe and absolve him of blame for this total farce of a season....

lol The players have lost heart because of administration?? lolol Without a doubt the most ridiculous, hilarious, brainless argument I've ever heard on this board. You can imagine the scene in the changing room at half time "FFS Dave, where were you for that ****ing corner??" "It's not my fault boss, this administration malarky just gets me down. The ball came in and all I could think of "Which bid would be best in the long term for the club? Should we go for a bid that might inject cash short term or should we go for a consortium that has the club's best interests at heart?"" "Me too Dave, never mind. Once the best bid is accepted we can all go back to concentrating on the football. It's just a shame those 10,000 missing fans have scuppered our season... the bastards."

And so I take it you're just as critical of Nineteen Beast then? Or does your abhorance of vitriol just extend to people who have an opposing view to yours? And as for the highlighted piece of text, the buck stops with Lowe. End of. The point people seem to dancing around, especially whilst they ***** and snipe about Pearson, is that Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience. The fact that Lowe ****ed him off would indicate an act of pure petulance and ego. Employing a manager hired by someone he despises. Now for that blinkered piece of lunacy I hold Lowe singularly responsible for our relegation this year. We're dancing to his tune this season and it's an horrendous mess. Yes other people have had a hand in troubles but this season Lowe has really stepped up to the plate and ****ed up quite royally...

Somehow I doubt it... Now please show me where I've put the blame entirely on Lowe? No doubt Wilde is the other main culprit with Crouch in thrid place with the other board members bringing up the rear. But.. The buck stops with him. He changed the management set up. He set in motion the events that have relegated us this season. He had now presided over two relegations in four years. Is he just unlucky?

Oops, careful people... The laced handkerchief has missed. He's about to unleash the snuff box. Again you dodge the question. Please engage your massive intellect and answer the question... How do you put the blame for this season's shambolic mess at the feet of the stayaway fans and not Lowe???? And as for me being hard in morning? Wow, you're not limp wristed at all are you?lol Now please run along, your "retorts" are as embarrassing as your arguments...

Obviously he's the offensive, aggressive, unreasonable, complete wind up merchant, who loses it when caught out, rumbled or outwitted and resorts to insulting and lying about people. Either that or he's just a clueless ponce...

Sorry but I'm with Nineteen Beast on this... I blame the stayaway fans...

And your limp wristed retort just adds fuel to my theory that you're just a cluess fop with no clue whatsoever as matters footballing. You really do come across as some Georgian fop, face painted white, beauty spot in place and laced handkerchief armed and in place for defence. What a ridiculous individual you are... Your ridiculous, painfully obtuse argument that the fans are somehow to blame for our demise is just plain embarrassing. The dwindling attendances are symptom not the ****ing disease you retard. At least with Lowe's departure and our imminent relegation to League One will rid us people like you....

Oh do shut up you cluess ****ing ponce...

Oh for ****s sake when are the Lowe apologists going to stop with the "Oh you are stupid, Lowe can't be blamed for EVERYTHING" defence when anyone blames Lowe?? The man removed Pearson and and set in motion the absolute ****ing shambles that this season has become. Everything bad with club has his hand in it. Relegation from the Premiership, relegation from this league, the never ending carousel of managers... it all goes back to one man. I'm sorry but the likes of uber intellectual nineteen beast and co and their lemming like defence of Lowe and their placing of any blame on stayaway fans is starting to really annoy me now. Lowe turned fans from fans to customers and customers have every right to withdraw their customer, especially when the man in charge treats them with the upmost contempt.. The buck stops with Lowe. This shambolic season is down to him and him alone. He meddled, he changed the management set up and ulitmately this whole mess is down to him. Everyone else has played a part but the ultimate responsiblity lies with Lowe. Live with it...

Not the best comparison, as if you worked hard and spent a bit you could may well get that Vespa speeding as fast as the ferrari. Obvious it would still be a vespa but with Saints the structure is there already. Buy it at a pittance, spend a bit and mould it as you want... The low low price might just make it more attractive as a no lose gamble... Edit: Just realised it was rumour on TUI... Top five Indian Billionaires thread soon to follow...

The point is that Crouch has admitted mistakes were made, Lowe hasn't. Quote from the BBC website: "Crouch told BBC South: "I backed Michael Wilde when he came to the club. He gave us promises of new investment and getting rid of Rupert Lowe, but it didn't happen, and I have to take some blame because of that." Lowe claims he left a club in credit, conveniently forgetting that under his stewardship we got relegated and effectively lost what, £20million a year? Does that loss of £20 million a year not count once he's out the back door? At what stage will Lowe ever admit his failings and apologise?

You might do well to make note of Hull and how they financed their stadium. I do believe that the council owned their own telecommunications business. They sold it for about £250 million so I'm told and used the money for the stadium, some for schools and other community based projects. The middle ground might try selling off some of the paintings and with the money finance the buying the stadium and perhaps some community projects as you can't expect the council to bail out Rupert Lowe's mistakes..

Indeed, and his idea of merging saints and Pompey is pure genius.....

I was refering to Crouch and I was being sarcastic.... lol

Must be getting near to full as Northam etc sold out...

Post of the day.... lmfao

Lowe took on the club when no one else would? Sorry, did he not force Crouch out??? Talk about re-writing history!! You're making it sound like Lowe was some sort of white knight who reluctantly came back to save the day. The reality was it was an act of ego and an act purely and simply to protect his assets... nothing more. You know, rather than post absolute rubbish about fans "rubbing their hands with glee at being proved right" you'd look at the waive of optimism on here and the out and out detemination to save this club and push towards safety. Instead of pitifully trying to blame our attitude perhaps you might just look at this whole sorry mess and conclude that the blame lies pretty much solely with Lowe and Wilde and put your pathetic, blinkered, defence of him aside and and realise that he and his new bestest buddy have killed this club... not the fans. Falling attendances are down to one man... I'll give you a clue to who he is, he's the man who has alienated the majority of fans with his arrogant attitude and his meddling. The man who took a competent, well liked manager and replaced him with a complete and utter disasterous mess. That and only that is responsible for dropping attendance figures, not some ridiculous notion you have of anti lowe fans, being these brain dead knuckle draggers you seem to think they are, who have ruined this club by staying away and/or wanting Lowe out... Lowe and Wilde killed this club, not the fans. ****ing get over it...

Oh I agree that criticism of players is par for the course and no player chould be above that.. But Euell and Davis have been two players who have most singularly been picked on here and on occasion I feel unfairly. If you dish it out, fine, how many of these armchair critics have the balls to say, "Sorry,I got it wrong"? Not many, and in this case, these two players most definitely deserve a well earned round of applause... both on the pitch and off it...

You speak for yourself mate, I'm all for people sitting on their hands and being sarcastic and smarmy on an interweb forum.. "So what did you do to save the club you claim to love from adminstration?" "Well I was very sarcastic, very dry and have nearly 1,000 posts on a interweb forum..."