Robsk II

Um, sorry to moan but I think you'll find this is what the sub-forum is about...

Yes, sorry, I knew this. Couldn't put my finger on it, that's why I had it with a question mark! Sorry baj, but some people DO need the obvious stating. No need to be scathing.

Exactly, Baj. Some of these conventions have grown organically and to exclude them would be folly. Occasionally, an obvious convention shift happens in a particular game, but that doesn't mean others copy it - or rather, if they do, it's because now audiences want it. Football games - did all games with commentary copy the first one that did it, or was it just common sense to do it once it was proved it worked? Car chases - BFBC2 hardly copies MW2 in there being a chase scene. On rails shooting is not a new thing by any means. If the view from a vehicle is similar, perhaps that's because they are both based on the vehicle, and one came before the other? Very few things are startlingly original, and where things are based on anything even near real, it's not copying if both draw influence from the same idea. I'm sure BF wasn't the first game to do capture points, or ranking, but it happened to nail them very well, so it just became the gold standard. I really don't see this as a bad sort of copy. Influence, sure. Follower, sure. But to say rips things off shows a sort of very small view on it. Which football club first had stripes (Newcastle?)... Did every team after copy them, or did it just happen that other people liked stripes too, or saw it and were influenced? Even Juventus, who supposedly did 'copy' Newcastle, have as much right the the historical legacy of their kit as Newcastle do.

Like having me, lulling everyone into a false sense of security.

Most of the stories in these things are actually a complete load of bull****. Incredibly unrealistic. If they were films, they'd be Steven Seagal films, and roundly laughed at by anyone looking at the narrative rather than the action. It would be nice to get this sort of game with a semblance of maturity at times. Admittedly concessions are made for 'fun', but how many soldiers - from any area - are well schooled in an array of vehicles, 'hacking', etc? How many 4 man squads could take on hundreds of enemies throughout a narrative? As for comparing the two, as everyone does, it seems to me that they do different things, if with a similar feel. Even saying MW2 is a rip of BF is a simply silly comparison. It's not as if the idea of modern-based shooters is startlingly original and worthy of plaudits and intellectual copyright. It's worth saying that people who think BF is a rip of MW are simply wrong, but overall the main point is that, as in any genre with close rivals in marrket share and split across loyal fanbases / play styles etc, they will look to be influenced by progressions made. It's not exactly cheap. Fifa and PES do it, too, and if one does something better,they'd be daft not to, especially if the community latches on to it. It's the same in the film industry; Saving Private Ryan's use of certain film techniques has influenced many after because it worked, not because it was a cheap blag. MW2 is basically an arcade thing; it harkens back to the old days. OK, it's advanced in graphical terms, level design, production values, nice ideas like perks - but it's not so very different to Doom. BF1942 and after took a different idea and implemented it very well. They goals are different, succesful strategies are different, the way people play is different. Look beyond the 'vaguely modern war online shooter' thing and they are not worth grouping into the same league. They both sit at, or near, the top of their respective sub-genres.

Anyone done this? I know someone who would.

Wayne Bridge.

Enlightened.

Even then, it's a sort of unwritten rule I reckon. You have to get explicit permission. Possibly written. In sperm.

Ah, aeroplane jokes - is there ANYTHING funnier?!

Harsh.

I am will hold comment until I hear what grammar celebrity expert norwaysaint has to say.

Everyone lives round here at some point. Gary Glitter, Jon Venables.. I expect Sutcliffe will be living in North Baddesley next year.

I'd wager that you're under 20.

Although it's been nine years since they were released, so it's evident, given they have a lifetime license, that they've not been straight back offending.

There's a shock. It was always going to be pretty difficult to effectively 'undo' the bad **** with them, regardless of how supportive any services may have been.

Is it time to start locking up everyone else who had to tolerate that, pre-emptively? I'm not one to judge people, like, me old mate, innit, but he looks like a f*cking ****.

When you had regained your breath.

4-2 in fact.

I think he had every right not to shake his hand. Yes, it might seem churlish or whatever, but sportspeople or not, Terry was banging his woman, and that's grounds for some serious bad blood. Some things are bigger than sport, so I don't see why you shouldn't defy some conventions as a result. It's not really sportsperson like to **** your team-mates missus either, let's not forget.

I'm a maybe at the moment.

Bit with the tank looked very silly

Just done it, what now?

When is the awy team training?

Who provides half time entertainment for this match? Baj and his notoriously decadent drugs and sex fuelled band? Jill doing tricks with her Bengal Pussy?