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Surely if a country is on a "war footing" then traditional supplier frameworks shouldn't really get in the way?

But surely it’s fair if the government claw back the money by taxing high-earners afterwards, then all companies get treated the same?

Beattie?

Religion is obviously a load of b*ll*x but if people want to make life choices based around centuries old works of fiction that’s fine by me. Churches do a lot of good, I think a fair amount of people, especially the elderly go purely because it’s free, gets them out the house and makes them feel part of something.

I really don’t get the issue with furloughing, thousands of profit making companies up and down the country are doing it, many will have high earners, all will have to pay for it through tax later on.

If it doesn’t change behaviour I don’t see the point.

Except if they ever did what you say the only way it would make any difference is if they made the info public, in which case people would just leave their phones at home, making the whole exercise pointless.

The Israel thing was just part of the baggage Corbyn carried around which made him so inappropriate for party leadership. Fact is if you campaign for Palestinian rights you make so many enemies within the Jewish community you will always have anti-semitism allegations thrown at you. At least now the party will have seen the back of that particular problem.

People have to work, they don’t have to go sunbathing - that’s the difference. All workplaces should be following guidelines to minimise the risk as well.

Interesting comparison, the government obviously screwed up in delaying the shutdown. We can all see now how critical time is in a pandemic. I expect London distorts the stats somewhat though.

Boris’ ‘sing happy birthday’ phase does seem idiotic now. Looks like they were caught with their pants down and were just buying some time whilst they put together something that resembles a plan. The PPE and testing situation is a disgrace. I always though rule 1 in a pandemic is protect your health workers.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-chinese-wild-animal-industry-and-wet-markets-must-go/ "After the SARS outbreak in 2003, which was traced to a wet market in the southern Guangdong Province, a temporary ban on wet markets and the wild-animal industry were put in place. In July of that year, the World Health Organization declared the SARS virus contained, and in August the Chinese government lifted the ban. Wet markets are found the world over, typically open-air sites selling fresh meat, seafood, and produce. The meats often are butchered and trimmed on-site. Markets in China have come in for justifiable condemnation because of the way they’ve evolved, commingling traditional livestock with a wide variety of wild animals, including exotic and endangered species. Many are quite unsanitary, with blood, entrails, excrement, and other waste creating the conditions for disease that migrates from animals to people through virus, bacteria, and other forms of transmission. Such “zoonotic diseases” that have emerged from China and other regions of the world include Ebola, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, and SARS."

This. A carbon tax is the way forward, both to benefit local manufacturing and combat climate change. As for China, they need to stop eating dodgy **** and close down every single wet market they have. Didn't bird flu and SARS also both originate from these disgusting places?

It will be interesting to see how many of those who stand outside their house clapping will be willing to pay a bit more tax to actually help the NHS and those essential low paid workers. Chances are they will still scream "Venezaula" again at the thought of not being able to get the latest Range Rover Evoque.

You are either a bit dumb or just being deliberately obtuse. 1. Some people will be vulnerable to this disease and not know it. 2. Some people will be isolating but will have no choice but to go out for supplies. 3. There will be many people who are not high risk but care for or are in contact with vulnerable people. I had to go and get some shopping for my 75 year old mother yesterday and most people in Tescos were sensibly following the social distancing rules yet there were enough selfish, ignorant assholes like you ignoring it to make the whole exercise pointless. I’m extra careful around her but if I get it then there’s always a risk of transfer if I have to go in and help her with something.

You are obviously thick as **** if you don’t understand how the more it spreads the more vulnerable people are put at risk.

You can tell you’re a Tory, classic ‘I’m alright Jack attitude’. Not a moments thought for the poor sod with underlying health conditions you might spread it onto.

Doesn’t make your point any less retarded.

Ignoring all your other drivel, you can’t even get your timing right. If I caught the virus last week then I would only just be starting to show symptoms which means I would probably be 7 or so days from when I will need ICU treatment. Great plan, my life might rest on the chances of there being a spare ventilator in Southampton General next Wednesday. Think I will just wash my hands thanks.

How is it odd that you would want to catch a virus that could kill you and potentially infect those close to you?! **** me, you’ve spouted some nonsense on here before but that is something special. ****ing weirdo.

To be fair it's probably quite wise to hold out until the NHS are able to guarantee you proper care and not end up hoping your clogs on a trolly in a corridor somewhere waiting for a space in the ICU.

Cheers for replying - hope you all get over it ok. I've got a funny feeling we've had it as the symptoms were just a bit weird.

Did any of you have milder symptoms? Just asking because a couple of weeks ago I felt a bit iffy at work (just tired and feverish) so went home, had quick nap and was absolutely fine. Because I didn't have a temperature or cough didn't think anything of it but I did lose my sense of taste/smell for a few days. Then the exact same thing happened to the Mrs. It's only afterwards when the taste/smell thing was listed as a possible symptom we tough we might have had it.

That’s why I can see the clubs making sure the season is completed behind close doors. If it doesn’t then there’s no money from Sky or BT, then it’s meltdown. Don’t a lot of clubs have loans secured on future TV money?

I think mass testing is a bit different to testing your health workers. Wether people like Boris Johnson work from home or not makes no difference to the fight against the virus, it’s different for frontline workers. If a doctor or consultant takes two weeks off work at this stage you can measure the effect in deaths. Testing vital NHS staff as a no brainier, the only people who seem to disagree are the usual gammons on this place.