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So the booth workers get dumped on the dole and we get robbed by no-change-giving machines, great.

Just like the good old days.

All this bed wetting is so predictable, it was always unlikely that we would get any points from City, Utd and Arse. The fixture computer has been very unkind to us. As I said at the start of the season, it's a nightmare start because it kills the winning mentality and puts the team under pressure from the off. Just hope Cortese doesn't wet his bed and gives Adkins a chance.

Page 47 of the Taylor report: 4 – The need to open gate C was due to dangerous congestion at the turnstiles. That occurred because, as both Club and police should have realised, the turnstile area could not easily cope with the large numbers demanded of it unless they arrived steadily over a lengthy period. The Operational Order and police tactics on the day failed to provide for controlling a concentrated arrival of large numbers should that occur in a short period. That it might so occur was foreseeable and it did. The presence of an unruly minority who had drunk too much aggravated the problem. So did the Club’s confused and inadequate signs and ticketing. Blame for the tragedy has to lie with the Police but the fans behaviour influenced the police's poorly judged decision to open the gates, I remember seeing the TV footage outside the ground. I'm not saying that as a slur on scousers, it could just as easily have been Saints fans there. But football fans in the 80's were generally aggressive, hard to control and usually ****ed. You can say that's just the nature of football fans but IMO we should all be responsible for our actions.

Totally agree.

You are the only c@ck around here, everyone is entitled to their opinion. "the presence of an unruly minority who had drunk too much aggravated the problem." That's in the Taylor report. The Police and health and safety have to take the blame, that is obvious. Football crowds during the 80's were rowdy, aggressive and unpredictable in their nature and the people in charge of crowd control have to take that into account.

That's exactly what my point was. Some of the ignorance in this thread is astounding.

I agree that there were many factors more to blame, I just think the way football fans were during the 80's contributed. There was a crush outside not an orderly queue, why was that?

Doesn't go into much detail about what was happening outside to cause the crush which led to the Police's decision. From what I saw on TV and my experience of going to football I think the fans who pushed outside should shoulder some of the blame. We've all been in similar situations, some people behave and wait patiently, some people are assholes, particularly when drunk. The Police are ultimately responsible though because football crowds in the 80's were unruly and drunk.

Shocking design, made my brain hurt trying to use it.

I remember it like it was yesterday, everyone just stopped working and sat there listening to the radio is shock. The thing I remember most clearly as it unfolded was disturbing feeling of not knowing what was going to happen next, it seemed like the World had gone crazy as more reports came in from the Pentagon etc. Most of the conspiracy theories like Loose Change are obviously complete nonsense (robots flying planes, missiles shooting into the Pentagon etc). My opinion is that the American government probably just covered up their own mistakes or maybe knew that Bin Laden was planning something and thought they had more to gain by just letting him do it, not knowing it would be anywhere near that serious.

A few seasons in League 2 flirting with a 3rd/4th admin and you will soon change your tune. Getting fans groups involved in running the club will just end up in disaster IMO. You will become the footballing equivalent of the Ted Bates Hobbit statue.

I'm no expect but I guess going from 'farmland only' to 50,000 seater football stadium development is a bit of a big leap. Think they will do well to get permission for some nicely landscaped luxury housing development there.

Blimey you're easily amused! like i said, Cortese is doing a fantastic job, I can't see the point in posting pathetic stories on here. I don't blame Le Tiss for tweeting though.

I don't want to say. I'm not going to get a mate in trouble to satisfy a few people on here. Anyway, you are giving Le Tiss a grilling for posting stuff on the internet, now you want me to exactly the same?

I'm pretty sure Stelling says what he wants. he looked genuine to me. If anything I thought Matt looked embarrassed.

It's from a friend who works at the club, quite high up. I have no reason to doubt what he says.

I don't know how you know Le Tiss got Stelling to do the rant. If you are just going to make stuff up why bother posting?

Obviously. Unless he p!sses his employers off.

From what I've heard Cortese has had it in for Le Tiss from day one so Le God can say whatever he wants IMO.

You have no idea what the Leibherrs plans for SFC are. No idea at all.

You don't know that.

Journo's opinions and no more valid than yours or mine. My mates a sports journo and say most of them don't have a clue about footie. Many use sports as an easy foot in the door. I used to blag his press pass to watch Saints games for free. Some of the cr@p the journos came out with in the press conferences was laughable. One even asked Redknapp why he didn't make Ruddock take the corners for Di Canio to head it in because Di Canio was the goal scorer! Just because someone can write a good story doesn't mean they know anything about footie.

Or the Leibherrs could easily replace the Cheif Exec and nothing would change. It's their investment, their money. No one wants Cortese to go because he's doing a good job but that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does through some pathetic mis-guided fear that he's going to run off crying and take the Leibherr's money with him.

Did he actually play proffesionally or is he just another journo talking b*ll*x?