miserableoldgit

Sadly, part of the problem with the written word is that it is sometimes difficult to tell when someone is being serious and when they`re being funny. If people mistake or misunderstand posts it can lead to them being "upset" when that wasn`t the original purpose. I think that Deppo`s "sense of humour" meant different thing to different people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004016/Norwich-target-United-defender-Ritchie-Laet.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004000/Leicester-want-Portsmouth-striker-David-Nugents-goals-help-promotion-push.html

"and what are my long term prospects if I take the position?"

Bloody Hell Revolution! We`ve nearly agreed on something!!

It won`t, just like any other thread about any other subject on this forum. Does that mean that we don`t argue/debate/discuss or moan about anything that concerns us because it will not change anything??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDaSvRO9xA and NOT Monty Python!

TBF I was always going to get one. It`s to much of a habit to stop now. But the actual price rise was a shock.

O.K. Revolution, partly because I am ****ed off with this arguing and partly because it is time for me to put my zimmer-frame back in the cupboard, pick up my slippers and pipe and make my cup of Complan, I am going to try a bit of reconciliation. Firstly, although I disagree with a lot that you say and I find you very frustrating, I accept that you have a view that you are entitled (is that spelt correctly?) to and that we will probably never agree. Secondly, TBF, my remarks about ingnorant,insensitive etc posts were not actually aimed at you. There were a number of posts made by others that added nothing to the debate and were quite frankly insulting. Have a look. You will see them.Your arguments, whilst frustrating and wrong (), were at least thought out and intelligently presented. However, I would like to point out that I have at no time in any of my posts indicated that I feel that I deserve the concession rate. You know what my one grouse has been with this. I have lost count of the number of times that I have explained it only for me to be accused of saying other things. Please God, let the football season come soon!!

Originally Posted by miserableoldgit Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses. Originally Posted by miserableoldgit Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually. You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh?

It`s 72% because we have lost the concession and there is a rise is prices. My ticket is now £515. So, it`s OK for you to jump on me for using the word "entitlement" thinking that you have scored a point but different when you do it?

Please don`t be a complete knob. My ST last year was £300. My daughter who sit next to me paid £393. Even somebody with a limited view of life like yourself must realise that the difference is not 72%. BTW how does this post of yours avoid my nasty, ignorant and selfish accusation??

They could have :- 1) Kept exsisting ST holders as is and introduced the 65+ to new purchases 2) Moved the age limit gradually, much like retirement age itself. For example, making the limit 63 this year and 65 next year 3) Do what they have done As for making commercial sense - what other business would think that ****ing off their longest serving customers would make commercial sense??

And I am not arguing or moaning about this. Purely the heavy handed way that they have implemented it.

And when it is offered I am entitled to claim for it. If I was 59 I would not be entitled to claim for it.

I used the word entitled because you used it in the post I was replying to. It is quite simple. In most places the concession rate starts at 60. I am over 60 and am therefore entitled to claim it. How is this difficult to understand? Are students entitled to it? Are the unemployed entitled to it?

Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually.

Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses.

Are you saying that if you suddenly found out that your ticket had gone up by 72% without warning that you would meekly accept it without a "moan"? They have not fallen in line. As I keep saying, in most places where there are concessions they still start at 6o. Saints are in a minority. Whether this is right or wrong is dependant on your view point.

Short but very sensible post.

In all of my posts about this I have basically had one moan. The club has handled the situaton regarding the change badly by making the change in one go and not warning the people that it affects. That is it. Do agree with this or not?

The problem is though that from my point of view I am NOT complaining about the fact that they have changed the concession from 60 to 65. My problem is with the way in which they have done it. To increase the price of my ticket by 72% without any warning, or notification other than in the press or on the website is heavy- handed and insensitive. The loud-mouthed numpties on here who have taken great childish delight in "wrinkly-baiting" (I now know what it`s like to be a Poopey fan!) have ingnored this point. They are, apparently, all saintly people who would accept it without a murmer if it happened to them.

Sorry. I forgot to add the word "childish".

With all due respect Trousers, the situation that we find ourselves in isn`t as simple as that is it? If I went out today a looked at something and decided that I couldn`t afford it, that`s fair enough, but when the club does what it has done, and how it has done it to long-standing customers who have bought their product for over 50 years that`s a different kettle of fish.

I rest my case.

There really are some nasty, arrogant, selfish and ignorant bastards on this forum.