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It's nice to know I'm in good company, as all three of you mirror how I am currently feel. It's got nothing to do with being rabidly anti Lowe, hating him because of his accent, background or fondness for hockey, nor is it that we want him to fail just so that we can be proved right (on what is after all a noddy, annymous internet forum), it's all to do with being objective and rational and forming your own opinion. Not everything Lowe has ever done as been bad, and on many times I have praised him, but as Saint1977 says, every leader has a sell by date. I truly hope that either this experiment works, or that is ended before too much damage is done. Listening to Kenny Dalglish speak about the Ince sacking, he said that although some might say Ince has been kicked out too early, he feels that half a season is long enough to review a managers progress, and that you have to be fair to the club as well as they will need time to turn themselves around.

LOL I was ****ing myself after reading "Mad Tom's" post and was going to reply, so thanks for saving me the effort. I just loved the hypocritical rants throughout the post

He did, it was at the start of the Cup Final season for a few months. He just needed a fresh start somewhere and had gone stale down here. I spoke to him on and off back then, and by his own admission he wasn't doing the business. There were a few off the field issues that he had to sort out (his neighbours were quite happy that he left!!!!) and at the time a break was the best for both result for both him and the Club. Considering we got some decent money first time around and some great performances from him during his two stints, I never really had a problem with him moving on, although it his sometimes hard to believe he made less than a 100 starts for us.

With all the time you have sat on your ar55e, the least you could have done would be to read what is posted, before you go and embarass yourself with such a drab reply.:rolleyes: I think you'll find that I said every manager was a gamble to some degree. :confused: WGS coming here following relegation, Lawrie coming from the lower divisions etc etc etc, all had a degree of a gamble about them, particularly with nothing in football being guaranteed. However, if you think that our experiment of playing "Total Football" under a "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", where the "Skill and Steel" is being trusted to a man with close to zero experience of this league and whose career in his own country is not as glowing as some would have us believe, is not a gamble with longer odds than most, then you are indeed a fool.:roll: Even many of those who support Lowe concede that this is a mighty gamble given his background, record & experience, and the situation we find ourselves in. It might of course be a masterstroke, at which point I will doff my cap to Lowe and Jan, but it will still have been a gamble which I would say was past the median and towards the longish end of the scale.

No it's not fair, and you've come across as right pr11ck on here tonight. HTH. Goodnight.

No, because with regards Beattie you're so wide of the mark it's embarassing (and that's before we even start to drive a coach and horses through the other rubbish you've spouted on here). I presume you forgot his role in the Great Escape season (under Jones) and how he flicked on for Pahars to score the first against Everton, before delivering a cracking cross for Pahars second up the Milton. As others have pointed out, you respond to arguments people have never put forward, and now you've just retrenched to that pathetic, sad and tired line that all those who have doubts about the current set up, do so because they hate Lowe, think he's evil, a toff, a snob etc etc etc and Jan is a clown, conveniently overlooking the many well reasoned and argued posts that clearly don't involve such ridiculous statements. I actually think you're even too rabid for a job on the OS!!!!!

Give it a rest, any credibility you may have had has long disappeared.

And we have improved going from the 8 game (1 3 4) to the 6 game (1 3 2) current form table, so was actually pointing out that our current form has got better!!!!!!!!

I had a giggle about that as well!!! A case of selective reading methinks:rolleyes:

How about answering my question first?:rolleyes: With all due repsect, you've come across pretty poorly tonight, best thing for you to do would be to apply for a job on the OS;)

I was actually suggesting that if you compare our 8 game current form to our 6 game current form, then we have actually moved up a few places!!!!!! C'est la vie.

He was certainly more prolificunder Burley, than he was under Redknapp!!!!! I may well be wrong, because I hated everything about that first season down, but I just never thought he was 100% fit.

Yes. Why, are you going to say that you think it was more of a gamble:rolleyes:???

Of course employing every manager is somewhat of a gamble. But if you can't see how some are perhaps more of a gamble than others, and that ours fits in slightly past the median of those gambles, then you're more of a fool than I've already got you down for.

It appears you're the only one with a short memory regards Beattie. He certainly wasn't the most skilful of players, but he was one of the hardest working, particularly when it came to tracking back and defending from the front.

Our 35 goals against means we are ranked 21st in this division!!!!!! Even Doncaster and Forest beat us on that statistic. You must write for the OS LOL.

What games has he changed the formation??? He has swapped players on a like for like basis and kept the same shape(e.g. against Charlton), but he has rarely moved away from his Total Football strategy. In fact, he even said in an interview that he doesn't think his players are able to play another formation, which is a pretty damning indictment on the coach IMHO. What games were those? As for the last bit, the guy is an adult being paid to do a job at a fairly high profile club. Given his record to date (when judged against his play off ambitions) I think he should expect some questioning of his tactics. LMFAO. Do you write for the OS??? All you needed to add was "attacking and free flowing football", "the Dutch Total Football style" and the "Skill and Steel" tag line. If anything, his insistence on sticking with one strategy, that has failed to produce results, has shown him to be extremely inflexible. Then you didn't watch much football back then, because Beattie was one of our best defenders, and under WGS we defended from the front. There were numerous times when Beattie chased back, made tackles and won big challenges and headers in our own box. You're showing yourself up here a bit. I quite enjoyed the play off season, didn't you?????

Polls on here are only indicative given the relatively low numbers (I'm sure that in the old days, there were sometimes three times as many participants) and I wouldn't read too much into them. And as you say I'm sure the knee jerk reaction to another poor defeat would have had an impact, just as the rather wooly way in which the question was being posed probably had a slightly different effect (as corky morris pointed out) So, enough of poll analysis . I'm also not sure how Lowe directly benefitted from these initiatives (given his small shareholding), particularly as Lowe's main way of benefitting was via the millions he was paid for his executive role. Now of course if these initiatives kept his shareholding supporters happy, then he would have benefitted from their continued support, which in turn would have ensured he kept pulling in the wages year in, year out. Up to a point. I do believe you have to give people as much time as is humanly possible to try and create something, but alongside this desire to try and achieve something long term, there are also some short term goals which must be achieved. And it's not just escaping relegation either, as we also have to start winning at home to try and drive gates up in order to improve our finances. Jan's time is not yet up, but I also don't think you can blindly carry on supporting someone when it's not working out as Wigley's sacking showed. Forest is a big game, and a win could well shake the monkey off his back, but at the same time a defeat or surrendering a lead could well be the start of the calls for is head.

You're right, it had nothing to do with Wigley et al, we were just unlucky with some individuals missing some one on ones.

?????????? Considering your line above, then that might not be a bad idea:rolleyes::rolleyes: Not sure what's worse, your intentional posts or your unintentional ones LOL.

So the reason we're struggling this season is solely down to individual errors.:rolleyes: Methinks you're somewhat clutching at straws. LMFAO

A game we have to win, and a game I think we will win. A tough fought, gritty 1-0 victory. Forest will comeo to defend and we will get an own goal off of someones ar55e.

Methinks you're being slightly naive (or maybe somewhat disengenuous) if you're trying to compare individual mistakes with the deficiencies of operating a rather rigid and one dimensional system. It is akin to trying to get Wigley off the hook by blaming Crouch for chipping over against Palace in the last minute, or when the whole defence switched off from a quick Norwich throw in. Individual errors will always exist, but they will in way excuse a much deeper malaise.

We've been trying it since the start of the season, it's just that we haven't perfected it yet!!!!

Absolutely. I'm not averse to a bit of 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-1-3-1 or whatever, particularly if gets results. However, my problem is not that Jan's systems are not getting results, but more that he is sooooo one dimensional and unable to change and adapt in this league. I don't know whether it's his inexperience of this division, his naivety, a dogmatic streak or just that he has no confidence in the players, but what I am sure of is that his rigidness and tactical deficiencies are costing us.