Weston Super Saint

More heavy lifting from the BBC regarding where the illegal migrants are coming from and for some of them, their motives for wanting to come to the UK. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070 Rather than kid ourselves that these are all genuine asylum seekers, howabout considering the possibility that the 'middlemen' referred to in the article, might, just maybe, briefing those making the crossings on what to say should the get caught? One quote from the article : Although, to be fair, if all those who currently declare that they hate living in the UK would actually bother doing something about it, maybe we would have more room for those that do want to come and work legitimately....

By jove, I think he's finally getting the point that there ARE legal routes of entry into the country for genuine refugees that don't involve small boats across the channel. Congrats. I think he may also have agreed that Ukrainian refugees also applied for refugee status in the first 'safe' country they entered (i.e. Poland).

To be fair, you talk about 'spectacularly dumb' but presumably haven't done the most basic of research regarding your first point. https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/eligibility I didn't bother with the rest and assumed it was equally ill informed.

Since Soggy seems to be avoiding the question, the BBC have done the heavy lifting for him : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63473022 Interesting though that they refer to them as 'migrants' and not 'refugees'. Maybe aintclever can tell us all why that is? Perhaps he can also explain why there don't appear to be any Ukrainian 'refugees' listed in the chart?

You're right. I must have missed it. I take it all back, the hype is phenomenal! That tab is pretty comical though. Amongst the hype for the biggest hyped event on the planet, the BBC have an article about Maradonna, one about Pele, one about the venues and the rest seem to be about LGBT and human rights.

The [former] home of all genuine refugees. Makes sense.

Abramovich.

Where did these 33,000 'genuine refugees' come from?

It's complicated. You wouldn't have a hope.

Is it? 18 days to go and you barely hear a whisper about it. BBC sport doesn't even have a 'world cup' tab.

Used to be. Now it's £2.75.

It'll soon be Christmas and if there is one certainty in life it's that MLG will post on the Xmas / duck rape thread protesting about how he doesn't celebrate Christmas.

Torbay is nowhere near London....

Jesus wept. Refugees seek refuge - there's a fucking huge clue in the name. People travelling across multiple safe countries to their desired location are migrants.

You keep mentioning the Ukrainian refugees as if it's some kind of trump card. You fail to recall that they have all been transported to the UK (and other countries) from Poland which was their first safe place! You also haven't grasped that the very existence of Ukrainian refugees backs up my assertion that there ARE legal routes into the country for legal migrants and indeed refugees. Legal migrants don't need to cross the channel in a shitty little boat. Illegal migrants on the other hand do. Pretty simple concept that you seem to keep tripping yourself up on.

UNHCR definition of a refugee (here) : Is a 'refugee' who has crossed multiple international borders still a 'refugee'? Refugees seek refuge from war and persecution. They don't have to travel half the globe to find that. That tends to be the remit of the 'economic migrant' - or more commonly when it comes to the UK borders, the 'illegally trafficked worker' or 'modern day slave'....

I'm not sure you've grasped what is being discussed yet.

No problem with raising taxes for the ordinary folk though, just as long as it doesn't affect the dividends of their share portfolios! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63465935

WTF are you on about? The Ukrainians living here are legal migrants that have followed the legal process having been displaced by war. The previous poster mentioned that there were no legal routes for migration. Even you have figured out that's bollocks as you have rightly pointed to the Ukrainian refugees.

We need to rise above that and be more saintly. Poor guy is still traumatised from his school days having lived with that name.

BP triple their profits against the same period last year reporting £7.1bn profit for 3 months. Meanwhile the cost of fuel is on the up again and the Government rule out a windfall tax! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63468313

To be fair, even 'Saint Mike' thinks it might be bollocks!

We have legal routes open for legal immigration. There is no elephant in the room. What you are mentioning is 'illegal' immigration. Putting myself in the shoes of the desperate people, a lot of whom are fleeing awful things, I too would not want to risk my life and the lives of my kids crossing the channel in a small boat not fit for purpose, especially if I'd travelled through many third countries where I could have legitimately claimed asylum. I think you may be confusing legitmate asylum seekers with illegal economic migrants and (even worse) illegal people trafficking.

Pumpkins. Well, the ones left abandoned on the street more specifically. Half the world is starving. People Soggy meets have to visit food banks and the self entitled have so much they can afford to cut up a valuable food source and leave it lying in the street.

Is Remembrance Day commercialised in the same way as Xmas and Easter? Are you confusing publicised with commercialised?