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Phaser

Radio said Schmeichal close to joining Anderlecht.

I'm much the same. We overpaid for him, and he didn't set the world on fire. He showed some moments, but got caught in a system/ approach that just wasn't him. When he got moved to, and did okay, at left back I think the club simply didn't want a player with possibly some value, go for nothing. It did noone any favours, as he's basically been squad baggage, while the club hoped to get something for him.

Trouble

Glad you didn't say "Let's have six consecutive games of starting KWP, Jan, HOLGATE and Manning and see how Baz looks at the end of that." Being talked out of hanging himself off the crossbar by the Samaritans is how that would have ended. 🙂

It seems that they couldn't even get shot of him due to reputational damage. Witness drops out and there's no realistic chance of confession. His employer have said " we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged." If his own employer is saying the offences weren't commited by Greenwood. And what was released was out of context, according to their findings. Then Greenwood would be advised that he had recourse to wonder why he was being effectively dumped, even at full pay. As unpleasant as it is, both parties would realise the further damage legal action would cause, and have come to this arrangement. There will be rug at Old Trafford, with a tell tale bump in it, showing where their internal report was swept. Neither party will want that to see the light of day. Greenwood admits "mistakes" in his statement about what he would like us to believe his values are. The club have found a loan solution. I read Getafe are paying a minimal amount of the wages. Another year of that, and he will be off their minds.

Meanwhile at the Holgate house... "I looked around, and the full backs had just vanished! Both of 'em! "inverted" what? I'm just getting to know faces, and none of them ended up where they were at training! So, I covered there, and that time I pushed up because our DM wasn't at DM. I'm just glad no one's pointing at me. I didn't know what the hell was going on!" 🙂

He's never going to escape not extending that Bournemouth contract. 🙂

"I humbly accept my pedant award on behalf of the many people I've pointed out minor details to over the years. It all began when a certain, now departed, poster joined SaintsWeb and I saw my future..." Continues for an hour with pauses to correct the grammar in the awards ceremony menu and the attire of the catering staff... 🙂

It's clear that the coaching team value the things Bazunu does well, to compliment the posession tactic, over the things he needs to develop. As Sheaf Saint said, Macca is better in some areas. I've no idea about Lumley. Was he brought in to q)provide genuine competition to Baz for that posession game 2) As a push to get McCarthy out the door 3) He was free and available and we needed someone to fill Willy's squad place? I think the applies to frees as much as to Lumley and McCarthy. SR watched several, experienced keepers go to other clubs, preferring Bazunu. That could mean they really see the benefits in Bazunu's game and are happy with the speed of development. It might mean they are utterly bloody minded, and determined to persist in chasing a value of this player. If it's the first, then a free agent would have to tick a lot of boxes in the posession game to get in. If it's the second, they'll keep going with Baz regardless. A third option of bringing in a replacement for them all would be a bit of a climb down, not to mention perhaps not helping Martin out tactically ( despite how common sense it must seem to a lot of us). I agree that's not going to happen. We're not see that kind of rapid development, even with the best will in the world (which a number are saying anyway) Getting Martin's system bedded in will help him. He will still have weaknesses, but at least he'd not have the addition of everything not breaking down in front of him. Martin's system ships in goals, so it's going to be tough. He's now having to develop to counter different areas of weakness in front of him. Again. In addition to areas pointed out by lots. At the same time he hopefully gradually improves (putting thicker than his wrists reinforcements in his 'keepers jersey at least 🙂), while showing Martin why he's in the team - being key to us holding and using the ball well in posession. If Martin would buy Bazunu given a free choice, then we'll see why (and sometimes we do). I think we could all pick apart any number of the goals against us and take a number of players to task. Do that over several goals, and we'd see the same faces emerge (exceptions for new tactics where they all look equally clueless at times, which can be just as much the coaches fault 🙂) Bazunu can't be blamed in a wider sense. I've no doubt he trains very hard. He wants to be the best he can be. And being our first choice remains a great place for him to learn. Behind that endless scowl, I've no doubt he feels every set of eyes on him. It's a massive amount of pressure at any age. I do hope that he can keep that perspective, after errors by him or others lead to rotten days. He's come back in after being replaced by McCarthy at the end of last season, and done the best he can. No question of his commitment. It's the responsibility of the manager to know when to rest or play him, without wrecking him. It's the responsibility of SR to use their data and recruitment to give us the best available option in that position, and adequate cover too. That's going to be a worry. There's a focus on sell ons and ceilings. But those ceilings turn out to be moveable, and players will all hit their levels differently, and have things that will only improve more gradually. But I'll be looking just as much at SR and the coaching for those decisions, well before hanging Bazunu out to dry, as frustrating as it can get during matches (covering myself in advance of commentary threads there 🙂)

Just some random thoughts.. SR love a project. 🙂 Having a football philosophy in the coaching, compliments their use of data to get the most out of small margins, and from players with slightly different skillsets. A coaching philosophy, exhibited by a consistent approach across games, allows them to hone their recruitment/ support requirements accordingly. As we've seen they can make us brittle and take time to bed in. Ideally, the idea would be to capture players on the cusp of breaking through, but a little delayed, because they're at a massive club. That's complimented by a mix of experience, but experience with sell on potential. Lowering the initial wage bill, to also provide more resources/profit, has been important to them too. Because of using a philosophy/ playbook under Ralph, they can track development within roles, and it's a big help when bringing in players and staff. The creation of the style, and tweaks, may be free thinking, but they all have to be ruthlessly enforced to work. Pep, Klopp and a host of other managers are no different. How we've employed an approach has shifted in focus from more high press, through keeping high pressure, but with deeper, direct delivery through posession and then counter and to possession and control. There's been transition, but some things have carried through. Underlying it all is how can we get an edge with less resources than bigger clubs? How can we control games? of our managers have had a focus on data analytics. How can we use that more? It's not been a transition through choice. We'll never know if Ralph's team would have stayed up had he got attackers in to help. Nathan also didn't have the personnel he needed, with it being too late when some arrived. Selles was closer to Ralph's style, but we'd bought in a Nathan forward in Big Paul. For every gain we made through Lavia and Tino, we were behind in getting the right players in at the right time, or the managers in at the right time to support them in the windows. Some of the players we've brought in had talent, but not the attitude to deal with where we were. All clubs also have their misses in the market. There's been enough of a gap between styles to leave us with Bree and Big Paul. But there's also been others who we've been looking to move on, including Che, McCarthy for the right price. I think there's goals and principles in place. There is an identity, although it's taken a few forms in a too short space of time. I know I got mixed messages at the start of the season suggesting it could take a few years, when we had our best chance of going straight back up. But the goal is to go back up. Another thing to look forward to, is that we are going to have terrible days. We did under Ralph. We're going to here. But when it works, it could be good, and if it works far more often than not, then we'll be more sustainable. Before SR, Poch was very clear that it would take months for everything to sink in. The trick is getting enough of it in quickly enough to keep us in contention. Which this early on, looking at the table, we are. There are risks in getting Martin, just as there was to Nathan and Ralph. Just as there are in a lot of projects, which is what SR love.

That sounded horrible! It's also upset our head of youth recruitment... 🙂

Thanks. Very nice of you to say.

Martin's not likely to change much tactically, so... Bazunu KWP, THB, Bednarek, Manning Downes, Charles, AA Fraser, Adams, Edozie Downes and AA to get through a lot helping to cover the fullbacks, and give support. AA and Manning to support Edozie, to give the kid more options than just tricky runs. Stu did this well earlier in the season. Need AA to cover Edozie defensively too. No starting Alcaraz or Stu or Smallbone to give us a bit more defensive cover centrally to start with. Ideally Alcaraz on later to cause some havoc. KWP and Manning pushing inside should still give us posession and attacking options, especially KWP. Adams is the best focal point available, and has started well enough (ignoring deadline aftermath blip). Let the Martin mantra roar: PASS! PASS! PASS! 🙂

Having to tackle, would mean the player did not have the ball. To not have the ball is forbidden in MartinBall, so they don't practice such shameful things. 🙂

Yeah, I took a second look at the team sheet, thinking they'd made a mistake there. AA is clearly more influential elsewhere, and Mara was next in line should have got the nod centrally, because that's where he's better. I thought Small one did well alongside JWP. But that he falls into the same category. We've better defensive specialists, and attacking ones. Interesting about the tackles, as I thought Downes would be the one to add a bit of steel in there, leaving Smallbone out, to be used in certain games/ cover. I thought he was best, so far, as the left of the midfield 3. Mainly because we leave so much space down the flank, and behind Edozie, that his work rate comes in really useful. With our, let's be charitable and call it patient build up, he can also get into more advanced positions when possible, and when the full back pushes up. Key to all our strikers is, of course, defending corners. But with the gaps at full back allowing more crosses to come in, centre half seems a better fit. He can always use his time there to study our goalkeeper. If Stewart can pass a ball, he's got a chance of taking over there. 🙂

Scott Marshall? 🙂

When someone said the other day that Martin had called him the best in the league, I thought they were joking. Not to slate Bazunu, but just that it couldn't possibly be so, could it? It came up again yesterday. I thought there must be some context. We had some stats posted about last season from Saint Matty 76 (I think) and they showed Baz at the bottom. I think they might have showed him as the worst in premier League history. Here it is (pinched from a rival forum, as we have no search function worth a bean) "Just a quick disclaimer that a few people are going to moan about this post so if you're one of them, please just don't read it. Nobody cares if you think it's nonsense or you can't/don't want to understand it, it's not meant for you. It is just a further indication of quite how bad Bazunu has been this season. The best way to judge keepers statistically is post-shot expected goals, as it actually takes into account the level of the shot being taken. If a player scores from 40 yards from a shot of 0.01 xG, it doesn't reflect properly on the fact that a keeper has a far larger chance than 0.01 of saving it. Bazunu has a PSxG of -11.1, which means statistically he's conceded 41 goals where the expectation is just 25.9. The most interesting thing about that to me is the fact that 25.9 is actually the 6th lowest in the league, behind just Newcastle, City, Arsenal, Brighton and United. 5 times who are a million miles further up the league than we are. This indicates that we haven't been terrible defensively this season, we've just been drastically let down by a goalkeepers underperformance. For comparison to the rest of the league, the next worst is Leeds (Meslier) at -5.8. It's actually statistically the worst season by a goalkeeper in Premier League history. Bazunu has also made 54 saves in the league, with only Arsenal, Brighton and City's keepers making less. This has him at a 55% save rate, meaning he's now almost conceding a goal for any save he has to make. We have had 92 shots on target against us, which again is within the top 5 of the league. The argument here could be that our defenders are constantly leaving him in situations where he's not able to make the saves, but that's why the PSxG number above disproves that point. TLDR - statistically we are within the top 5 fewest chances and shots on target faced each game, but Bazunu's underperformance is both the worst in the league by almost double, and the worst the PL has seen." In terms of influencing results, goalkeeper is the most important player in a team. Successful teams always have a good one. Having the worst condemns you to fail. " Our common sense was seeing this too. Our defence chopped and changed. There were errors. We'd lose by creating little, a defensive error that in the narrow margins we'd lose by proved costly, and relying on a goalkeeper with that 55% save rate. And we're seeing the same thing this season. Martin said “I've been made aware of this narrative around Gav. Last season has happened; you can't impact that. What he can impact is that he’ll be one of the best goalkeepers in the division for how we want to play. If I was going to look at a goalkeeper, I'd want to go and sign Gavin Bazunu. His mentality and how he's been, how he's trained, and how he played on Saturday - he can't do anything. It's a glowing endorsement. But highlights are "will be" rather than "is" and "for how we want to play rather than "for what you'd normally expect a goalkeeper to be excellent at" Presumably, our data analysts are seeing that Baz might be okay at passing it out from the back, compared to others. That his build may make him a little quicker to react under some situations. Things like that. And all what Martin wants. Because if Pep can bin Joe Hart for not being able to pass, we must be ahead of the game here with our passing 'keeper! And Martin can't get 80% posession, if the goalkeeper kicks it long or folds under a backpass (which Baz doesn't). But the goals go in from positioning, from just making the wrong decision (often by just a second), from lack of strength in the parry or in the save. I still think SR thought Ralph was a great fit, because they looked at figures over the term, rather than noticing that he'd been countered, and couldn't adjust. With Baz, I often feel it's the same. Too much focus on the data of an individual while the team continue to lose. They may be seeing improvements, but at what cost to the wider team, and our actual goals for the season? Especially, when there were plenty of experienced options available last term. Martin's right about his mentality. There's plenty to improve right across the team, and they often do Bazunu no favours. He's in a spotlight because of the importance of the position, and as the first person people look at when it goes in. He's had a torrid time, but is focused and committed. If goalkeepers were judged on having scowly expressions, Baz would win the golden gloves every year. But Matty's stats showed we weren't that bad in front of him, compared to what went in. If Martin sorts out our defending, to at least reduce the efforts on our goal, we can only hope that Baz's save stats improve. Martin's tactic looks as though it would mentally test any goalkeeper, never mind a developing one. I want all our players to do well, and for Baz to have a great season. I get the feeling it's going to be a painful journey, and at the risk of impacting our larger goals.

I'd prefer the obvious, and rarer communication mess up to the dawning feeling that every shot at our goal will go over/under/through/past our goalkeeper. 🙂 I hadn't even finished my suprise that one got parried, when it was back across and in yesterday. 😒

Thanks for that. Interesting to see that together, and hopefully as the season goes on. That late 5th of Sunderland's to be added, not that it impacts your point.

Hmmm. No facial hair, no pullover yesterday, no positional confusion, no obsession with any of high press, possession stats, front footedness, aggression or passes in a move. Now his power point/ playbook generation skills might be great. But it doesn't seem like he's a fit for us. 🙂

So, you do think he'll get better then, so it's down to only that? 🙂

If all it takes is a wiley old dog to unpick intricate, fancy football philosophies, then perhaps we've backed the wrong...um..dog (not horse as that would be mixing metaphors) 🙂 I think it's that we've seen the same mistakes already that's part of the worry. But yes, today was particularly bad, and we've got to deal with it and move on. All that team may not appear again, but there weren't that many new faces in it. Holgate, Downes and Mara making their first league starts I think. That they couldn't lay a glove on Sunderland is worrying (not to be confused with Baz not laying a glove on things, which although worrying, is normal) 🙂

Norwich had Ralph's tactic sussed too. They just weren't good enough on the day to capitalise on it. Other teams before that, may also have been going the same way. But those in charge, certainly ploughed on, regardless of what they should have picked up from Norwich, and went head on into Villa.

Yeah, when the team are trying for that 100 pass attack, it's natural that they would be slow to react when that breaks down, and they have to quickly switch to defend. Not helped by us often over committing players; frequently being out of position because we've shifted with all that short passing/ our fullbacks are tucked in to support; human errors from players not familiar with the system or even if they were, not being able to do anything about it. I think he knows the system, and it comes in built with a lot of the vulnerabilities we've seen. He's probably trying to get the players to play into it, so that they prevent those flaws being exploited and our strengths win the games. I don't know how well that worked for him previously, as I only look at where they finished. We watched some lovely football under Ralph. But when it goes wrong, it goes wrong quickly and badly. That was today. Mowbray knew what to do right from kickoff. He probably couldn't believe his luck that there were so many errors too. But some of those come from that system. We gave him a massive advantage. They knew how to pick us apart, and adjusted their game to suit, while we played to a possession style that we will play regardless of outcome. I'm sure Mowbray, when faced with a back 5 or fullbacks that aren't inverted, will know to adjust accordingly again. We will set out to play just the same, because Martin believes that overall, we will pick up more points that way. We can only hope that he's right, which is a lot to pin your season on, after a day like today. Deep breaths that he's learned a heck of a lot from it. Better he did it before kick off today, than after the game. 🙂