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spoil sport 🙂 My next thought was, but it ended up liek it always does. 🙂
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AA going up the gears ahead of recapturing his Blackburn form for next years' Championship. Corner.
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whew. "McCarthy doe sreally well." - just wanted to type that for posterity. 🙂
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Human
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1. Authorities not relegating Man City for financial irregularities. 2. Authorities not relegating Newcastle for takeover irregularities. 3. Authorities not relegating Everton for financial irregularities. 🙂
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Bottle
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Having numerous people point out the massive flaws in Abbot’s reasoning and why this came as no surprise to anyone considering Abbott’s history of not too dissimilar racism and apologies… …The day unfolded with… Justifying racism through semantics – “An article explaining the semantics in this case.” Bravely, if laughably, popping head above the parapet with no “I wonder” - “I do believe that she knew that the contents of this letter would cause a stir” Mistaking being in a court of law dealing with only a current offence, with wilful ignorance of not checking patterns of behaviour of someone you’re desperately defending – “My points were directed at the contents of this letter and this letter alone” Failure to understand why people would consider the letter anti-semitic, despite having it clearly pointed out – “*some* have discerned this letter as anti/Semitic in itself.” Scarily jumping on the band wagon of a rather insidious anti-semitic trope – “Interesting that it has now distilled down to just an issue about Jewish people when she grouped together various other types who also face bigotry, discrimination and prejudice.” Dismissiveness towards other minority groups – “Maybe we need new campaigns for the others, travellers, Irish and ginger’s lives matter.” Venturing into mentioning the Holocaust as part of arguments for the *second* day in a row, while defending someone who minimises Jewish people in her structure of racism. – “Do you think that Jewish, Romany, Slavs, Black, communist, homosexual, disabled etc people herded into the gas chambers at Auschwitz were wondering if they were there because of racism or bigotry or discrimination?” Defending Abbott’s hierarchy of racism (despite repeatedly having the flaws of this pointed out) – “If you believe that there is no hierarchy when it comes to bigotry, prejudice and discrimination and that Diane Abbott was wrong…” Deflection to another group as if this justifies Abbott’s actions or that we should stray from discussing the matter at had. (A well-worn, and pretty feeble tactic) – “Hopefully the focus will turn towards the appalling rhetoric used by Braverman and Jenrick against migrants.” Spending much of a day trying to find out something! – “but can be subjected to racism” But despite typing that, in the same paragraph – “nothing definitive either way.” Defends Abbott’s self-imposed task to tell the world what racism is – “seemed to be trying to redefine what we think we know racism to be.” Failure to read the posts of others here (in fairness, possibly due to time studying the issue or listening for a steer form radio phone ins) – “Prejudice? Hmmm.” That Abbott’s views must be okay because none of the other groups have made it into the sources he reads / Scarily trying to minimise the reaction from Jewish people/ other critics of Abbott – “but there doesn’t seem to be such a backlash from the Irish, travellers or redheads.” Oddly admitting Abbott is rightfully on her way, despite defending her and not being sure of what was wrong - “hopefully this (she) will be one less liability for him in the run up to the next election.” You have had quite a day SOG. Quite a day. Pretty much any one of that list would be a massive red flag. Combined?
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Not Burney as a club, but I can see a player really wanting to be playing at a higher level than we're likely to be at next season, where he's getting first team starts, and where he's probably feeling a lot happier being at, after stop start appearances here. Not to mention the chance to use a good season or so there, for a move to a higher club. So, if Burley make an acceptable bid for him, it could be in the interests of all concerned that he moves on.
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Gun
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St Mirren have made the top part of the split in the Scottish Premiership "for the first time since the split was introduced in 2000-01" (pinched off Beeb), with some financial constraints at the club. Small has had 10 games since he moved there. So, despite his idiotic sending off, he is getting some games, is still young, and can hopefully improve. Hopefully experiences like the two quick yellows will knock a few of the edges off of him too.
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Alarm
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‘I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I certainly didn’t say that this was an “elaborate master plan.”’ Perhaps I had misinterpreted “deliberately lobbed a hand grenade at Starmer before the council elections” or “she must have know that her words would cause an uproar and problems for Labour” or “The speed of her apology also seems to be staged” as in some way you suggesting Abbott had done this deliberately? Handily, you’ve followed this up with “She will have known exactly what was going to happen to her” and “she knew full well that it would cause problems for Starmer and the Labour Party” and “I know a few people who … seem more intent in derailing Starmer than getting the Tories out.” And that’s not including your points about all the time she seemed to have before it went live. So, no I’ve not misinterpreted you at all. I’ve pointed out that Abbott has a long history of making comments not too dissimilar from this one. Abbott has to apologise for racism in the past, again for comments not too dissimilar to this. Trying to make your case and then hide behind “I wonder” and “is it beyond the realms of possibility” is weak, when you’ve repeatedly tried to reinforce the point. You even try to give her credit with “To that end it certainly made the issue of discrimination between different factions a talking point” before trying to hide that with “even if it backfired very badly.” But despite showing you her comment as part of an ongoing history, and highlighting that her track record of dreadful responses, planned or in interviews, you just don’t want to listen. Your previous point was “Why would you write such contentious stuff in the first place?” rather than “Why Now?” You seem to be linking Abbott’s masterstroke as related to local elections. The answer is the same to both. Abbott posted it, because those are her views. The timing was entirely due to her being triggered by the article, and nothing to do with local elections. Her previous apologies and statements have often been triggered in just the same way. On the rest of your post… “You say I don’t understand the meaning of her comments?” Looking at the responses, and some of your later comments, I think that’s exactly what we’re saying. “Is that really anti-Sematism? If it is, then ok.” Yes, it really was. I’m glad your “ok” accepts this. Her comments set out a hierarchy of racism, automatically excluding many minorities from legitimacy, a voice, equality and justice. The article she was responding to, dealt specifically with a number of groups that she has considered to be inequal. One of which was Jewish people. Just in case extra clarity was required, as you felt she had to list the groups she considered not capable of actually being racially discriminated against, in order for it to count. In a later post you say “in this instance, I do think that she was getting herself tied up in semantics and was not deliberately denigrating Jews, travellers, red haired people etc.” Now that you’ve been informed, again, that there is a history here with Abbott, and that she has had to apologise for racism before, you might reconsider if she has been accidentally misinterpreted. Again. And Again. And Again.
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We've had a massive outlay in players (and shoring the squad with January signings), while also following a policy of trimming the height of any peaks in the wage bill. No games for McCarthy, bye bye Redmond and Romeu. Super, if enough of the replacements improve the team. Horrific if... well this.
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Beefeater
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Oh SOG. You're now saying that Abbott's letter is now part of an elaborate masterplan to destabalise the party she's remained an MP of since the late '80s at council elections. That she's remained part of, even through the ousting and barring of Corbyn. A masterplan from an MP with a history of utter car crash statements, such as retaining police officers for £30 each, and a long record of abhorant extremist loving commentary. "Indefensible" and "intellectually incoherent" as she said herself about people she was criticising, before doing as exactly as they did. Really? I do hope you take a moment and think how far down the rabbit hole you've gone here. "Why would you write such contentious stuff in the first place?" Because that's what she thinks. A quick look online shows a long history of broad, racist comments. This latest one isn't terribly far removed from previous utterances that her party was all too eager to put up with. So much for quick action. "She must have know that her words would cause an uproar." I doubt it, because she was telling everyone exactly what she really thought, as she had done on a number of previous occassions. Starmer has acted swiftly, because his party have had to relentlessly weed out the anti semitism that pervades it. Despite you not recognising the meaning of Abbott's comments, the Labour party (and everyone else here and in what I've seen in the press) certainly did. Starmer could not have let this pass, and retained whatever credibility he and his party have. He does get the added bonus of getting shot of an utter liability, politically, within his party. He will have been only too pleased to get shot of another Corbynite. That's another reason for his to act swiftly. He couldn't believe his luck.
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The Labour party sure dealt with Dianne Abbot's views quickly, decisively ensuring that someone with such racist views perhaps, as SOG said, has no place in a political party. Oh wait, this is her apology for racism from 2012... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jan/05/diane-abbott-accused-racism-twitter.
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Dog
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Tag
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I can only hope he doesn't go up a driveway that isn't his, or ring on the wrong doorbell, in his efforts to find a safehouse.
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Driving a black car?
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Moon
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