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Actually it has cleared up a few things and removed the need for Drama queenism (?) based on the limited quote in the Echo and on Solent repeated in the BBC pages... in that when refering to 'not expecting a deal' he was not inactual fact staing he was not expectiong a deal, but 'not expecting to deal of exclusivity with the one potential bifdder as to date had not fulfilled the requirements' which as you will see is less of a 'shock' and means discussions continue...

Jeez we get a good loyal player wanting tio sign and we have fans thinkingof reasons why he shouldn't? Jeez feck me... ;-) The guy is great and having such a loyal player will hopefully rub off on those we have left and accumalte from the lower leagues/part timers ;-)

Not sure waht that is but its sounds good ;-) Is it like and orgasm, or is it an organism in which case what type Flora or Fauna or Fungus or Viral? Seriously, no one is slagging him for this act of generosity, but some are just putting it in perspective - same as if Lowe suddenly had a character switch and gave 500k - it waould be a great jesture but it would not change the fact he had contributed to teh need for it in the first place...

BUt surely if you buy teh club you need to buy a stadium and ideally staplewood which leaves little else - also there is the moral or ethical perspective by taking on the debt and agreeing terms of a CVA its better than simply stumping up a fee and walking away leaving the Administrator to divy up funds - also as I understand it Aviva have firts dabs at SMS because of the loan notes are secured?

Another possibilty, but could also mean as above? Ideally I still think Fry would want to sell the whole package as it provides potentially the biggest return and also form our perspective keeping hold of SMS and staplewood would be a big bonus for rebuilding the future.

subtle but effective ;-)

Basically the shares are no longer tradable in the traditional sense as they have no value. However, as I understand it, the first and most desirable option is for the 'shares' to be sold for a nominal value (£1 for the lot) to a new owner on the understanding that they have provided guarrantees to all creditors to an agreed value (eg 30p in the pound). If this can be done, in effect, the new owners take over all assets but the new company would be a ltd company and no longer listed. If this is not possible SLH will be liquidated and its assets sold to the highest bidders to max the return to creditors. I think maybe our situation is complicated by the fact that maybe certain of the parties were already trying to only purchase certain assets susch as SMS etc or just the club.

Good post, but it does highlight one thing - you mention those that 'dispise Crouch' - i think during my entire time posting on on S4E, the second coming of S4E and now TSW, one think at least i have been consistent on ;-) is that I cant dispise anyone - i certainly have never dispised Crouch or taken it to such an emotional or emotive level - he has done good and acted like a fool IMHO, all within his belief its best for the club - Lowe made huge errors, spoke like an arse at times, made more errors, some which were based on ideas that had merits, said some reasonable things but blew it by using his arrogant style etc, but I cant hate or dispise him - they are doing it their way and ego often gets in the way of listening to advice..... Fans put in a huge amount of emotional investment in following a club, especially one where success has been hard to come by so there is bound to be resentment and anger when things go wrong, but to teh extent that some express, especially when not looking deeper than the outcome, is beyond me... and that in part influences teh way I respond - If I think that someone is being unfairly victimised, i do tend to try and offer a defence - Lowe makes it 'kin difficult to offer one, but if kept to football there are some small bits and pieces that offer a 'logical' defense, if not always entirely practical... ;-)

Brilliant insight and o so very true, but how else would we be kept occupied during those 'natural' breaks at work? ;-)

I will also say quite happily I know Crouch did not make his mistakes or public gaffs with any malice and that he felt he was genuinely doing teh right thing for the club - if he learns, unlike rupes who seemed to struggle a tad with that one, then he will do well no doubt.. still has a bit to do in my opinion to get over the gobsheite tag though - especially after the 5Live comments.... ;-)

NOt sure, think so, as Leon has personally pumped in some cash to keep the bailifs at bay for another week or so, whilst the negotiations with whoever are still/maybe/notsure ongoing

What? You marched? how very dare you ....you you Crouch Crunchie you ;-) Thats it expelled from the Luvvie brigade with immediate effect. ;-)

Hey youve done Um Parhars trick and stollen a dsingle line to support your point - Order! ... ;-)

If Crouch comes back and and it saves the club he will get my full support, but he will not and should not be immune to constrictive criticism during his tenure - I hope he does not bow to popularism and makes decisions on merit not on what he believes will have the most positive impact with fans, and that he takes some PR and media training... if he does that and then results on the pitch will be judged on merit and in line with whatever financial restrictions the club and he faces.

My only question would be do you think as Chairman of the FC he could not have said to teh PLC board - stop! we cant afford these unless wilde stumps up the investors he promised? because these recommendation must have come through the football board from Burley?...and I cant believe Crouch was not privvy to the financial situation?

Sorry, but i think te only talk of fan divison in on here amongst about the same 20-30 posters - sorry its not division but opinion - opinions formed froma variety of sources depending on how far you delve into the nitty gritty.... superficially its a no brainer - Lowe , Lowe, Lowe is the biggest bastard and failure ever at the club, and those such as Crouch the biggest hero - dig deeper and deeper and the picture is not so clear cut with both having pros and cons depending on where you persoanlly stand on the relative importance of things - it all becomes a bit more murky the deeper you go, more complex and ultimately of less interest to the majority (arguably because it makes no difference to the situation or end result). Multiply that all by how much faith we put in the urban myths that have sprung up, the rumour and gossip and its no wonder that amongst the 30 or so obsessives such as us it becomes very polarised. All I like to see is folks giving teh logic and rationale for thier opinion rather than the single line dismissives because if someone wants to effect a change in my POV its only going to be by logic and relating FACTual info, not by 'comedy' one liners designed to provoke.

Thats is disturbingly funny... MB you need help ;-)

God/Satan* delete depending on your polarisied view

Leon is Jesus...

Is there not a duty though that whilst acceptng the generosity that affords survival that its placed in context - afterall we all saw where the blind unquestioning got us with respect to Wildes entry. OK so CRouch has proven his worth with his positive contributions, but also made us qusetion it with his mistakes and public gaffs (persoannly I aslo struggle with the Mr popular thing). Everyone has pros and cons and his cons dont mean he is to be tarred, but merely put the pros in context - as we do with all the other protagonists....;-)

Thanks...just simple thanks...for being one of the few who disagrees with me who actually takes the time to present your opinion with insight, obvious passion and intelligence. I have always had this niggling irritation about the Pearson thing... on the one hand I liked to think it could be exciting and works and thsoe early games game showed promise - but instead of it being a platform for kicking on, we simply got sussed out and rumbled... and Lowe's mis reading of the fan support and positives surrounding Pearson was his biggest blunder for sure - Not convinced we would have staved off admin due to the financial mess being impossible to resolve given the contracts in place, but had Pearson continued wher he left off and given us a fighting spirit on the pitch we may have seen a greater response from fans... My argument for trying to understand what is really at fault stems from this hypothetical situation: Say Pearson had stayed on but with the same outcome eg relegation and admin would fnas have: 1) Blamed Pearson for being inept 2) Blamed Lowe for keeping pearson when it was obvious CRouch had only got him in to do a job, hense teh break clause 3) Blamed Lowe for not supporting him financially 4) Blamed LOwe for sending the best players out on loan (due to not being able to afford the wages) Now it may well be that Lowe IS really to blame and he could have done some of those thngs differently, but all I want to be able to do is know for sur based on facts, not rumour, gossip or speculation that is in many cases or has been driven by prejudice because its a convenient scapegoat rather than taking teh time to analyse the errors and what went wrong or why... Personall, I cant see the problem or issue with that, but sadly some do. Maybe its teh anger, pain etc which is fair enough and Lowe should have at the very least realised he could have healed a few wounds by supporting Pearson - (Still sems such an odd decision because even if wedded to teh continental thing - he had waited years to do that that another 12 months would have done no harm....)

If thats is true, fair enough... but are you in effect saying that teh CHAIRMAN of the football club had absolutely no say in the deciosn to spend that 7 mil + under burley? Surely given his position as Football clud chairman and 10% shareholder he could ahve said sorry we dont need it at the moment recognising taht without it in writing from Wilde that there were investors willing to underwrite such a gamble, it was a risk not worth taking? Or what did he do all day as FC chairman?

Sorry that is just plain ******... why wite off your own shares, effectively sack yourself and damage your reputation as a chairman/director ...spite? Come on if you are making sweeping accustaion like that at least provide some sort of eveidence or facts to back it up otherwise its just plain bullSH!t

Fair enough Rob, thats perfectly reasonable - its just we have had somany false dawns and promises, I think many wanted an 'all new' start as a the way forward. If CRouch in his donations has enable that he will always be fondly remembered and its fine with me that he is remembered fro the good rather than mistakes of the past which we ALL have...

Would be interesting to see how they would ahve behaved had we still been in the prem...given their sponsorship and the resultant bad PR....