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Privatise the NHS then I guess. Get that fucking welfare bill through. That'll be popular as well. This country is nothing without being propped up by the EU. Got any suggestions? The credit rating downgrade in 2022 made big differences to our borrowing rates and increased our spending on debt massively. We are below average for the G7 on tax burden and we run a fully public health service. Fucking mental: https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/ Be good to reverse the NI cuts as well. It was done by the Tories to fuck the Labour party up as they knew they couldn't reverse it or afford it.

Yep, need to increase taxes massively - as I've said for years if we have an publicly funded NHS we need to be a high tax society. TBF, we were warned that post Brexit this would happen if we left the customs union.

For an offence to be committed under the Public Order Act 1986, the language must be "threatening, abusive or insulting" and "intended to or likely in all the circumstances to stir up hatred". Pretty much any and all threatening, abusive and insulting language could be classed as stirring up hatred as that is what Social Media platforms are used for now.

Loud music is another example. Police make house calls for that. No offence has taken place. It's a bit odd that you are using a few examples of house calls being unnecessary to prove your point, as if you expect the police to be 100% correct. There were 150k hate crimes reported last year. To get 100% accuracy is impossible. You're being unreasonable in my eyes.

Ok, so your first argument is similar to a policeman visiting a property because they've had a call as someone has heard a ton of shouting coming from next door. They don't believe a crime has been committed, but have visited to talk to. It's like a noise complaint. Absolutely, house calls are not always needed, but do we have proof that house calls always take place in these situations?

But that's acting without due process. Sorry, I just am not getting your point - I think we'll have to leave it there unless you can succinctly write, in a sentence, what you are trying to argue. My argument is that if the police believe a hate crime could have been committed, they should investigate it.

I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about individual examples. As I said, some will be correct, some won't. My point is if a number of people report what they perceived as a crime, then the police should look at it and if they think there could be an issue, investigate it. The amount of times that police get called out to bogus called, or domestic spats etc, but they still have to investigate them.

But different police deal with different matters yeah? And who's to say it wasn't a quiet day?

Wow, well if they thought that he was pro-Palestine that definitely seems like a threat of violence. I definitely think that needed to be investigated, and yeah, possibly a caution. Essentially they are saying that due to the Brexity stuff, and the tweet, he could be seen as anti-Semitic and a threat to Jewish people.

It's be like someone reporting murders over and over. But that is not on the police. The one time there is a crime they can battered for it. I still don't really get your point, and I've read nearly 2 pages of this. I'm assuming your point isn't as simple as "God, I hate it when police time is wasted as sometimes these aren't hate crimes". If it is, then yeah, ok. Not exactly a groundbreaking opinion though is it?

Well, crime has luckily gone down massively over the past, what, 15 to 20 years or so, so maybe at this point there wasn't much on it that area?

But it's subjective, that's the issue. Some police may think there is a case to answer, whereas others don't.

The problem is that hate speech is subjective, so of course there are going to be situations where things are misinterpreted or certain people think that things are over the line whereas others don't.

What do you think the process is for the police investigating these things? I'm not saying I know, I would just be interested to know what you think it is. So, how is it reported, what are the initial investigations etc, what initiates the call out to their house/place of work?

Why do you find transphobic tweets funny? It is not really clear what you are arguing. From what I gather you seem to think that people who are engaging in quite risky tweeting (and is an incredibly subjective matter) shouldn't be investigated by the police? Note the word "investigated" here.

Eh? A swastika made of pride flags? Transphobic tweets? You're flying quite close to the sun there. Not every visit from a police officer (a) ends in arrest (b) ends up with the person being charged (c) ends up with a conviction. I'm not really sure what you're arguing here - that potential crimes shouldn't be investigated? Or you don't think potential hate crimes should be investigated?

Is it not to investigate potential hate crime incidents though?

Who?

I want to see Jon Stewart's reaction as well. Bill Maher is a sell-out dick sucker.

I don't disagree with that. It's a shame, I've watched him for years and years, and he is a great broadcaster, the "I'm f***ing Matt Damon" and "I'm f***ing Ben Affleck" stuff back in the day with then girlfriend Sarah Silverman was properly funny. He wasn't a fire-breathing lefty, he just thought Trump and his followers were morons, and there is no real argument there.

It's arguable, but honestly I don't think it's anywhere near enough to sack someone. It's not like saying something like, oh, I don't know, abortion is worse than the holocaust.

But my point is all that Kimmel did was point out the campaign - what did he actually say that was wrong (by the way, this isn't just pointed at you, it's a general question to the masses)? BTW, I would expect East Stand Nic probably has a trans wife...

Because it contradicted what Vance said the other day...

Ah, good old Brendan Carr, about to sign off a fuck off massive merger...