Farmer Saint

But they'll say "the Managers out at the moment" or "I don't have my number on me". Very easy to get around. Also could use someone else's account as assume there are no photos on the website.

Interesting stats on London crime rates... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQEk4m-iIag/?igsh=NGhsNmoydTh3Zmt3

But not very quickly. Say you went into a Turkish Barbers and wanted to check right to work, how would you do that presently? Chance is by the time they've lied about their HR papers they've upped and moved to another barbers. However, if you have an ID Card that has to be presented that would make it a bit easier I'm guessing?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQCp1blCOpA/?igsh=OXN6OGI0enR6dDA1

I'm yet to hear a good argument against ID Cards. But then again, I'm yet to hear a compelling argument for spending the money on them when we can't really afford it.

I feel that this story has definitely got Legs.

Don't forget about Frank Beard...the only member that didn't have a beard.

#wanklampard

If we can significantly reduce illegal working then it will seriously reduce the boat crossings. Probably needs to go hand in hand with (say it quietly) ID cards.

Glad to see this starting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2l1253ndeo

Sorry, where did I say that we shouldn't have a state pension?

I genuinely thought you were talking about Prince Andrew there...

Oh yeah, they didn't need to.

Yeah, but he is a massive cunt.

So after all this, have we worked out how much we're planning to cut from the public sector?

FFS, she died. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rj33dg22vo Black British nationals seem to be trying to take the microscope off the extremist Muslims at the moment.

But are remunerating the people or the roles, because things like this have to be done at role level - everything works in pay grades, yeah?

I thought you were using their removal to pay private sector type wages? So a 20-50% increase.

But cutting pensions is not making cuts to current spending, you know that don't you? It will only apply to new starters so your savings are in 20 to 30 years or so.

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Let me give you an example @Sir Ralph. If you wanted to get rid of 20% of staff, these are the approximate numbers: The average salary in the civil service is £34k. As you've said the problem is those waiting out their pensions, so we'll take the average length of service as what, 10 years? In the civil service you get a months pay per year of service. So that is £28k per person. There are 520k people in the civil service, so you are looking at making 104k people redundant. Therefore, just the payout for redundancy is £28bn, and you are increasing the dole queue by 104k people. Those people won't lose their pensions up to that point BTW. This will increase our JSA bill by £10m per week, and as they are older they are more unlikely to get new roles. You are then planning to give that money in pay increases to those currently in role, or just to new starters? You won't be able to change current workers pensions without substantial payoffs, and not many people would take those payoffs - they'd be stupid to. But you are massively increasing the pensions they get when they retire as you've increased their wages. New starters will be fine, but don't forget you've made 100k roles redundant, so it will be very difficult to bring new starters in unless you are envisaging full organisational restructures?

It would be silly to put a figure on it, and as you say you're clearly not an expert on it, but you've also said that they should have been able to do an analysis on the whole civil service within 18 months, so how did you come up with that number? But if you can't put a number on how many people you need to remove, how do you know how much you're going to save? Is it £300m, is it £30bn? How many people will be out of work due to this? The job market is weak, so howuch is that going to cost in JSA. Even before that, how much is it going to cost in redundancy pay considering you want to get rid of the inefficient lifers that are waiting for retirement?

You have literally offered nothing with those answers. Not a thing. If you don't have an idea on percentages, numbers, departments etc, how much money are you planning to save to "balance" the budget? 10-20% of staff? More? Less?

I don't, and I bet Whelk doesn't too. Answer my questions please.

I have said that over and over and over. You know that as I have directly responded to you multiple times about it. I have also said it's very a long-winded and expensive thing to do. But we are on common ground so I look forward to your answers.