Farmer Saint

Oh well, this will help... 😔 It's a shame we're not still part of the EU as they'd be more compelled to help in that scenario. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8vr95n5n3o

So there is a good chance that these 4 are trying to politicise this as well. Goody.

Year ending June 2025, but guess we'll need to wait until the end of the year for a proper LFL: 852,324 non-Visitor visas were granted. The breakdown was: Study: 435,891 visas Work: 286,071 visas (a 36% decrease from the previous year) Family: 70,961 visas Other: 59,401 visas Last year's stats:

How many survivors are on the panel? Obviously this is 4 of them but I presume they are not the only 4?

What did she do in the Commons? Bit odd to ask her to resign though.

And your second paragraph is my thoughts exactly. Until then, we really should concentrate on the fact that this is approx 5% of our immigration figures, and that we really need to work on the issues with the other 95% of legal migration before concentrating time and money on the impossible task.

Oh, OK, so the only easy way to deal with this is to leave the ECHR? And even then, what are you doing with those that come across on boats, taking into account that you can't just send them back as we've identified before.

But it's not feasible as you've identified.

Well in that case we could just open fire at anyone coming over in a boat then surely? I meant legal ways to deal with them.

But you can only deport if countries take them back, which again is unlikely to happen (and also likely puts those people in a lot of danger).

No, because it had to be shut down because of structural issues and is now derelict. Before being used for asylum seekers it had been shut for 10 years and let go to rack and ruin.

Why is it obviously a deterrent? There is no evidence of that.

I'm not saying they won't tell you, but they'd say they're from somewhere else and use their identity. Again, easy to do when you come from these countries where ID is not really a thing.

I'm not going to their website and giving it footfall, sorry. But if it's the stuff about leave to remain and not allowing people to claim benefits, I'm not sure that's going to do much. ATM you can only claim benefits after 5 years I thought. People come here to work, not live off the state.

The accommodation by us is utterly basic - so dilapidated you wouldn't want to even set foot in it. Either way, it is a means to an end where they are going to be accepted and can live and work here. It's not a deterrent, considering where they have come from and the dangers on the way.

How do you report them though - that's the problem? We can all come up with ideas as to what to do, but putting that into practice is the issue. Countries will just deny they are theirs, or the claimants will lie as to where they're from. What do you do in that scenario?

What is Reform's policy?

But you're saying it will reduce the numbers, but as the link above showed, these type of things don't seem to make a difference to the numbers.

I'd take the money, then just come back, wouldn't you? Other countries have looked at Rwanda, and also decided it doesn't work. Old army barracks could work, but then they'd need to be massively renovated to be inhabitable, and how long is that going to take? How do you control them and keep them there - I'm assuming you'd have the army posted there as well? If you read the link I put above, there have been many studies showing that disincentives don't work. If these are the best ideas that the world can come up with, and even you are picking holes in it and saying they could be unfeasible, does that not tell you there is nothing you can really do to solve it?

What idea?

But how do you stop it? I think everyone agrees with the above. The problem is how, and that's where no-one - literally no-one - has come up with a feasible idea.

Rwanda was for 300 people. What deterrent is that for 45k people coming over. That is a 0.6% chance you'll end up there. I'd fancy my odds TBH. It's not a deterrent and it never was.

So where are these holding camps? What is at these holding camps? Are they already built or do we need to build them? What do you class as a life or death situation as a lot of illnesses build from non-life threatening to life threatening. What happens if someone breaks their wrist for example? Or has an abscess in their mouth that could become infected? Just wondering how and where you draw the line.

Where do you send them to? How do you find out where they've come from? They just won't tell you if they knew that was being done. We've already got a similar agreement with Albania for instance, but hasn't seemed to make a difference. Countries like Eritrea - what difference does us imposing sanctions on them make? This has been done already. What are you going to offer them over and above what's been done, and surely this is just costing us more and more money?

How?