Farmer Saint

I think "loads of money" is a bit of an exaggeration, and when you say cost the taxpayer money, do you mean from a wages POV?

I'm not sure many people were defending her, and we're actually saying they were waiting for the full story. I know I said immediately that she should go.

I think the difference is that she came into politics for the right reasons, to help people. I don't think you can say the same for a lot of the Tory party.

Shame, but she had to go. At the same time a lot of people were not keen on her, so think it may actually help the Labour party.

Unless what? They are different things entirely. She will either be charged with fraud, or nothing. Tax evasion is using illegal tax methods to gain a tax advantage. Tax avoidance is legally minimising your tax liability through legal tax loopholes. Fraud (in this situation) is wilful misrepresentation of information to gain financially.

But this isn't tax evasion. It's tax avoidance.

No, it's fraud.

All politicians are corrupt? Behave.

God this country and it's inhabitants are a bunch of cunts...I wish I could emigrate again. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOGPAkjCCZc/?igsh=MXg3eW9ubGdrdnhjNw==

Ha, he said anal. Twice.

Robinson looks very good, but there was (certainly initially) something about the way Dibling carried the ball that was exceptional. We'll see though.

To be fair, if her advisors have told her to do it this way, then she may well have been badly advised. If that is true, and she pays back the tax, that should be the end of it. If it is proved to be malicious, then she needs to resign. We all get badly advised, some of Sir Ralph's mates were told if they moved to Dubai they wouldn't be charged tax on assets and businesses owned in the UK, and that they wouldn't have to pay Inheritance Tax. I mean, it clearly happens to the best of us when it comes to professional advice.

Agreed, if you do something illegal, you go.

Yes, but can also be recovered by HMRC.

That's fine mate, you keep on making up stuff to suit your arguments. Not the first time you've been caught lying on here. Don't forget, I've got your number, as I'm sure a lot of others have too.

@Sir Ralph Are you going to give us some examples, or this this another Dubai debacle?

Not quite, it's like driving along a motorway with no speed signs, and your passenger saying you can drive at 100mph, and then being retrospectively fined for going over 70mph. It's all a type of tax avoidance.

What examples do you have of inefficiencies and unnecessary bureaucracy in the public equivalent of your industry?

There is probably quite a lot, but it's the opportunity cost of more resources and a better service vs operational inefficiencies. I see @Sir Ralph is struggling with the question I asked him. Just a list Ralph, that's all I want. Don't need justifications.

Glad to see I'm still living rent free in @Weston Super Saint head...

You're being quoted all over the place answering my messages, it's doing my head in as you're still making stuff up. I just want a single list of the Labour taxes your "Dubai mates" are now dodging.

I have asked this before, but what extra taxes are they paying? You still haven't answered that.

"NHS inefficiency stems from chronic underinvestment in infrastructure like buildings and IT, leading toproductivity losses and staff time wasted on manual processes. High staff vacancies and bed occupancy exacerbate these problems, creating a system under immense pressure with little capacity for improvement. Inefficiencies also arise from outdated manual systems, lack of staff training, variations in clinical practices, and challenges in integrating new technologies, all of which delay patient care and increase costs." There is no quick fix.

*Made-up*

Absolutely - process inefficiencies exacerbated by software issues, staff shortages etc. there needs to be a full top down analysis of everything in the NHS, but my God that is expensive, especially as you'd need to outsource. When you're paying Deloitte £1k per man day to come in and do that, you're £10bn down before you've even started looking at the solution. Just look at Track and Trace, a fairly simple development, cost £36bn. You could run up a £60bn cost analysing the NHS very easily, and it would take 6 years to implement, by when the technology has moved forward and you've wasted most of the money.