Farmer Saint

But that's the point, it is people fleeing war torn countries - why do these people NOT have money? If Russia invaded England, would you not have a phone or any money if you emigrated? For someone who's travelled a lot you seem to think the rest of the world lives like 1980s Ethiopia. I explained above why they'd want to come here, and that many, many more go to other countries in the EU or around the world.

Like Che you mean?

If a player is worth £5m, then signing him for £20m does not make financial sense, whether it's last year, this year or next year. Not sure how that's difficult to understand?

He's staying I think. LWB please in a 5-2-3. Would be great.

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No, you said it would make "financial sense". If you didn't think he was worth that it wouldn't make good financial sense.

Dont agree with that so think we'll have to agree to disagree. However, if you've spent multiple seasons in the Championship you can benefit from a lack of spending and spend lots to fit in with PSR (see Forest for instance). We are more in the Burnley camp that can't spend enough due to previous spending within the PL/low commercial income.

Immigration is different to asylum seekers - different processes, rules and visa's. Immigration should be lower but that is by changing the parameters and tolerances that the government set out to everyone who does not live in the UK. How many more applications for asylum do you think we're going to get above the 80k? 1 million? 2 million? Let's not conflate the two and stick to asylum seekers and boats, as this is the issue most seem to have. They want to stop the boats. To stop the boats you have to have ways to apply from outside the UK (that all 1st world countries apart from ourselves have) and you have to be able to process those claims in a quick and accurate manner. Your deterrent to the economic migrants is that you'll stay for 3 weeks before being flown back to Turkey/Albania or wherever they've come from. In relation to the other million migrants, we need a sensible and pragmatic approach to what we need, which feeds into also encouraging workers in essential industries in the UK - bursaries for nurses, a minimum wage for care workers higher than the wages now, a crackdown on low paid, non-taxable, cash only jobs (car washes/nail salons etc) and probably ID cards (like national insurance) that has to be present to earn money.

You think he's worth £20m though.

Once they have been classed as a terrorist organisation, yes. I think before that it may be tricky.

Sounds like the EDL to me.

That he's a striker with 1 leg or more - yeah, he fits that profile. If we want a striker who is good and scores goals then he doesn't fit that profile.

I don't think we're in for him personally and we're not interested, from what I've heard anyway.

£20m is too much unless he had a minimum of 12 goals in the league or something - nowhere near good enough for that much.

I'm not confusing anything. 75% of those that apply for asylum in the UK are genuine Asylum Seekers and are accepted. 25% are illegal migrants. And yes, most do have access to the internet at a point in their journey - the vast majority have phones with Internet access for instance. That's why most first world countries offer the service. It also means they don't have to travel 4000 miles if they know they can't even qualify for the Asylum Visa. They most likely can stop in other countries, and many, many, many do (Germany had 334k last year for instance, France 167k, Spain 162k and Italy 136k compared to 81k for the UK), but some speak English or have family over here so want to come over here.

I'd be surprised - they wanted a lot for him. I would take him, although bear in mind he doesn't tend to score much. However, he offers the ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play which would be perfect for BBD and AA.

No, I agree, but that doesn't mean that we were ready. Just because we couldn't afford to stay down does not mean the club was in a position to be promoted and to be able to compete in the Prem. It's not one or the other.

OK, let's play a game. You have £60m to spend and £20m has to be spent on THB . Wages per player cannot exceed £60k pw. Go.

But what are you expecting to do when we don't have the money available. We weren't ready to get promoted - we have had to spend money on the spine of the team (HB and Downes). This was the point I was making a few weeks ago that no-one was having. To be a success in the Prem now you need to build a strong spine outside of the Prem and then fill around it. With PSR it's the only way.

Not sure why I've replied to my own post...

But it's not a quick solution - they travel for weeks/months to get to that point - and they will all have means over those weeks travelling. They have some money so they have access - it costs 1000's to get smuggled over. However, let's say they don't - the deterrent is to deal with them promptly - 25000 per year is 68 per day. The targeted wait time to decision is 3 weeks, so if we stuck to that there would only be 1400 in any one period needing food and accommodation - and from a human point of view it's only 3 weeks until a decision is made. Also, what you will tend to find is those making the journey are not actual Asylum seekers, they are the 20-25% who are "illegal immigrants" - asylum visa's would unlikely be obtained by these people. The real issue is the 3000 or so migrants being accepted daily. That is where the real control is needed. Personally, I can't understand why anyone would want to move here in the first place - I wouldn't live here if I didn't have to.

But they wouldn't be in the country to deport, the visa application is done from outside the UK. So no boats are needed. It's not going to stop all the boats, but it would stop the majority. Why would they make that journey if they could do it via an easy process?

The reason the rioting has stopped is due to the tough sentencing - and it has worked. We've stopped the dreggs of society being morons and that is what we needed to do.

No, you're not understanding what happens. The whole asylum claim should be done outside of the UK, online, either in the country of origin or close to that. They then have the right to come here legally if accepted, so instead of paying the people smugglers thousands they take legal routes over. When you say turn off the tap, I'm not sure I get what you mean. Are you talking legal migration or asylum seekers? If legal migration (around 1 million people a year), we have control of that tap and there are certain measures you have to adhere to for being able to enter the country - these do not come over on boats and this is where we need to ensure we are taking the correct people - this is where the problem currently is. If asylum seekers, again there are certain rules they have to prove to obtain asylum (around 25k people per year that HAVE to come over on boats as we shut down the legal routes for claiming asylum from outside the country) - if these aren't passed then they are turned down (around 80% are accepted) and removed to their country of origin. Asylum is a human right.

Plays the same position as AA though.