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If we could combine it with national service of some sort (or at least for those out of work and claiming JSA) and you have a combination of getting the young encouraged to go out and get jobs, or go into the forces, and removing them from benefits.

We'll see - I guess the thought is that we will spend the majority here, on British made and developed defence, which means it will be far less than 5% in real cost. In addition, it will also lead to other countries investing in and purchasing from us.

Trump's done well to get agreement at 5% defence spending at NATO - I suspect Keir wants that as well as it should help to boost our economy. I guess we'll see how well the NATO countries hold up to that.

It's going to need to be something along those lines - there is no way this is getting destroyed without boots on the ground.

So all that has happened is Israel and the US have beaten a bear in a cage, have walked away thinking it's dead, but have left the cage door open. Think they're more likely than ever to build and use that bomb.

Apparently, imaging and fuel for nuclear subs.

Ok, cool, as many on here don't agree with the ICC's arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

We're consistently told Israel are trustworthy on this thread...

So just watched that clip - it's the most he's ever made sense 😂

Luckily for Israel they tend to congregate around the aid centre's, along with women and children, so it's very easy to mow them down.

That can't be true - @hypochondriac and @benjii have built their whole arguments around that.

So if we're to believe Independent agencies like the IAEA carte blanche, does that mean we should also take into account rulings from independent agencies and courts like the ICC?

Yes, we all know what Trump does, but that statement is about Iran.

What an utter cunt that man really is. I hope Iran suitcase nuke him.

No, we argue for not attacking sovereign states.

“This time we were in the middle of negotiations again when this attack took place,” Mohajerani said. “Therefore, as our officials have already stated, as long as there are attacks, negotiations will be meaningless. When the attacks stop, we will think about it.”

The long and short of it is, Iran said they'd come to the table if Israel stopped bombing. Israel didn't stop bombing, because theirs and the US's objective is regime change. Israel because they fear Iran and their ME influence, and the US because of oil. And this is all dressed up nicely in an Iraq style WMD present 🎁

I doubt it, not without Israeli/US help. The Iranian army is fucking massive, the people wouldn't dare rise up against it. The only way would be military coup, and that is likely to be worse than what we have now.

It's coming...and if you hate the regime that much surely that's what you want?

Probably could have got them, hiding out in Pakistan, because Muslims.

But you're not getting what it is about. It's about attacking a sovereign nation based on that. We've had this before with Iraq, and we were lied to, by far more trustworthy politicians than we have now, and it created fucking havoc. Why are we doing it again?

I also wouldn't allow Donald Trump, Netanyahu, Vlad Putin, Kim Jong Un, Zardari or Modi have them, and yet...

Ah, but Sunni Muslims. The same as in Pakistan.