Farmer Saint

Lol, I thought we were playing tonight in the League Cup 😀 What a knob.

We're not putting the same team out, we'll put out a team of reserves again. Don't blame him tbh, need to have our best team playing in the PL if we are to have any chance (and if we see a first team player injured tonight there is only one person this forum is going to blame).

The point is it shouldn't have come down to that final corner - we should have been out of sight by then!

My God there are some proper bed-wetters on here - however looking at the people posting most seem to be the fans that don't go to games - what a coincidence. I would be bed-wetting if it weren't for the fact that this was so predictable I told you all about it last September - PSR makes it nearly impossible to get relegated, immediately promoted and then make a decent fist of the next season.

Strikers just not up to standard - that's all - apart from that we looked decent against a team that finished above us last season.

You really are a joy to be around, aren't you?

BBC Sport jinxing us then.

It's more if there is one of his attributes I want Dibling to have it's not his running...

Fucking hope not.

Should have had 4, so it looks like the use of an additional attacking mid is having the desired effect.

Our success rate with strikers is absolute shit. We should have had 3, and that is not on Martin.

Good finish.

Why don't you change your avatar to something like #martinout - it may take off, you never know. #Martino

I'm not saying we don't need a DM, just not sure it's him.

Just one for the future, would KWP work as a defensive mid? Pace, balance, decent defensively and can also drive forward if needs be.

Les has looked bang average though, and our problem this season has been in the balance between defence and attack. We've been far too defensive and not creative enough, so without changing the midfield dynamic I'm not sure how you really effect that.

Looks a decent selection, just a shame the players we have to choose from are just not quite good enough.

I do disagree with your conclusion, but that is an excellent post all the same.

But I think it depends on how much quality it has to make up for. Dont get me wrong, we've not been good so far this season, but we also had patches like this last season and we ended up doing better than I expected, certainly.

We have a team of good Championship players and two proven PL players (Ramsdale and KWP). That just doesn't cut it in the PL, sorry. I'm sure we will be become more competitive, but still not competitive enough to be anything other than bottom 3.

I can't imagine how others could think any differently. We have a lack of PL quality players and the bookies had us as favourites to go down, so if you think any differently I'd probably suggest that this expectations are the problem rather than the Manager. We played well against Newcastle and we're undone by Macca. We weren't good against Forest full stop. We were poor in the first, but better in the 2nd half against Brentford yet shit the bed (once again because our defenders fucked up) and we were great against United until we missed the penalty and lost our way. We haven't been good overall though.

Not sure he can expect to stay up - if he does he's pretty deluded. We've got a team devoid of PL quality (2 players currently I'd say) and a Manager with an inconsistent philosophy (results wise).

I think our biggest problem will be if we get rid of RM, we'll bring in Gareth Southgate - similar style of football, more defensively sound but also far less attacking threat (which is mad to think considering how we've played this season).

It is very boring, but the problem is that CF and IF are not differentiated, but they are very different positions. That's the point. It's like saying that both Smallbone and Downes play Centre-mid - you're all thinking far too basic. If we're playing a front 3 he'd have to play as a traditional number 9, hold the ball up etc, like Che did last year. That's not what he's done in the past. If we want him to work we need to play him up top in a support role off the main striker (Stewart or Onuachu) or go to a very narrow 3 with him on the left (although that just wouldn't work). Either way, decent win last night.

Give me proof that he played CF for Blackburn and not IF.