Farmer Saint

I'm not confusing anything. 75% of those that apply for asylum in the UK are genuine Asylum Seekers and are accepted. 25% are illegal migrants. And yes, most do have access to the internet at a point in their journey - the vast majority have phones with Internet access for instance. That's why most first world countries offer the service. It also means they don't have to travel 4000 miles if they know they can't even qualify for the Asylum Visa. They most likely can stop in other countries, and many, many, many do (Germany had 334k last year for instance, France 167k, Spain 162k and Italy 136k compared to 81k for the UK), but some speak English or have family over here so want to come over here.

I'd be surprised - they wanted a lot for him. I would take him, although bear in mind he doesn't tend to score much. However, he offers the ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play which would be perfect for BBD and AA.

No, I agree, but that doesn't mean that we were ready. Just because we couldn't afford to stay down does not mean the club was in a position to be promoted and to be able to compete in the Prem. It's not one or the other.

OK, let's play a game. You have £60m to spend and £20m has to be spent on THB . Wages per player cannot exceed £60k pw. Go.

But what are you expecting to do when we don't have the money available. We weren't ready to get promoted - we have had to spend money on the spine of the team (HB and Downes). This was the point I was making a few weeks ago that no-one was having. To be a success in the Prem now you need to build a strong spine outside of the Prem and then fill around it. With PSR it's the only way.

Not sure why I've replied to my own post...

But it's not a quick solution - they travel for weeks/months to get to that point - and they will all have means over those weeks travelling. They have some money so they have access - it costs 1000's to get smuggled over. However, let's say they don't - the deterrent is to deal with them promptly - 25000 per year is 68 per day. The targeted wait time to decision is 3 weeks, so if we stuck to that there would only be 1400 in any one period needing food and accommodation - and from a human point of view it's only 3 weeks until a decision is made. Also, what you will tend to find is those making the journey are not actual Asylum seekers, they are the 20-25% who are "illegal immigrants" - asylum visa's would unlikely be obtained by these people. The real issue is the 3000 or so migrants being accepted daily. That is where the real control is needed. Personally, I can't understand why anyone would want to move here in the first place - I wouldn't live here if I didn't have to.

But they wouldn't be in the country to deport, the visa application is done from outside the UK. So no boats are needed. It's not going to stop all the boats, but it would stop the majority. Why would they make that journey if they could do it via an easy process?

The reason the rioting has stopped is due to the tough sentencing - and it has worked. We've stopped the dreggs of society being morons and that is what we needed to do.

No, you're not understanding what happens. The whole asylum claim should be done outside of the UK, online, either in the country of origin or close to that. They then have the right to come here legally if accepted, so instead of paying the people smugglers thousands they take legal routes over. When you say turn off the tap, I'm not sure I get what you mean. Are you talking legal migration or asylum seekers? If legal migration (around 1 million people a year), we have control of that tap and there are certain measures you have to adhere to for being able to enter the country - these do not come over on boats and this is where we need to ensure we are taking the correct people - this is where the problem currently is. If asylum seekers, again there are certain rules they have to prove to obtain asylum (around 25k people per year that HAVE to come over on boats as we shut down the legal routes for claiming asylum from outside the country) - if these aren't passed then they are turned down (around 80% are accepted) and removed to their country of origin. Asylum is a human right.

Plays the same position as AA though.

We had a spine of Fonte, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Lambert. We were 10 times better than we are now.

I know it won't that's my point. As I said repeatedly last season and this Summer, we are not in the correct financial position to be promoted. We're fucked financially and we needed to start again otherwise we will get stuck in a cycle of yoyoing and will never get out of it.

And that's what we're working with in this country. Be warned - this is the type of person a lot of people are aligning themselves to.

The issue is not the process, the issue is the rules that have been presided over by the Tories for the last 14 years. And yes, if there is a legal way to apply for asylum from overseas, that reduces the boats hugely as applications can be done from outside the country (currently you can only apply for asylum from inside the UK - hence the boats).

But we haven't lost KWP yet, and if/when we do are likely to sign an upgrade in midfield. So if we looked at the squad now, and who we have, I think we are slightly stronger than last year.

Yes, how have we not?

Listen to this...

Completely agree. It's so odd that Martin got so much shit last season because we had a Premier League squad and should be absolutely storming the Championship, and yet this year when we have strengthened we now have a Championship quality squad that will definitely get relegated.

We're not, it's why FFP was put in place and people like Cortese were SO against it.

And herein lies the issue - people make stuff up to support their opinions, rather than deal in facts. @SaintsLoyalis just another in a long line of peddlers of misinformation.

That's because the media peddled the video of him being violently kicked in the head. With 2 police officers being investigated the police have got to be very careful as evidence can be omitted and criminal cases can be lost. This will also go to CC and be heard in front of a jury so it takes time to put cases like that together. This is not some white scumbags pleading guilty to ransacking a shop.

I said I'd come back to you on this, so... No go areas isn't a thing, this isn't Jo'burg. Some ethnicities may not want to go to some areas as they feel threatened, but that's the same for same British Asians going to parts of Leeds, Birmingham and the East end of London. Integration is difficult - but most educated people try to find a way to do it. The issues you're talking about have built up over generations, so many of the people in these areas are British now. I'd be interested to see howany people think they can't integrate due to the colour of their skin/background, or can't due to lack of opportunity. People also have their own ways of living, borne through years of tradition. Why by being here do they have to live the way an English person lives? Why can't they live according to their heritage as long as its not breaking any laws of the land? If people are allowed into the country, the infrastructure should already be there. We should be proactive instead of reactive. And you say uncontrolled immigration - since Brexit we have controlled immigration do we not? But why are we comparing ourselves to countries where gay people are executed, women are treated as 3rd class citizens and people are scared into living a certain way. Why aren't we comparing ourselves to other, similar first world countries? You know you have to do that here, don't you, as an immigrant and going through the immigration process. If you're an asylum seeker that is different, as you are fleeing war, persecution etc (probably from similar countries you see to hold as the benchmark of how the UK should be). I'm not interested in the UK becoming an authoritarian, non-inclusive state, sorry. I really don't see it as the utopia you seem to think it is.

Have to agree to disagree I that one then - never seen or heard any evidence of it on anything but right wing nut job sites.

Because two tier policing doesn't exist.