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No, you clearly haven't. And it seems not a one of you can read as I have clearly stated i do NOT sit on either die of the fence. I just do not believe (as you do it seems) all of the BS msm news we are fed. Neither do i believe all the alternative news channels. I have said time and time again that both sides are as bad as the other with neither one willing to admit they could be wrong. LOL. You have an issue clearly. First of all I am kenyan and now I lie? Where on earth have I lied? For a moderator, you do not set a good standard do you. No doubt that will see me banned, while people breaking the rules everyday by calling others thick as pigshit and thick cunts are allowed to remain and call names and break rules daily. Are the rules at the top of each group actually upheld at all, or are people just allowed to call each other what ever they want? Wrong yet again...as clearly stated numerous times, I believe both sides are myopic in their views, both unwilling to concede they may have been hoodwinked. MSM fed people believe all they see on TV, Conspiracy people believe all on TV is a lie. Both are wrong is all I have said. But as ever people do not read posts correctly. Just just skim read. Yes I have considered Icke maybe wrong, and in fact said as much. But have YOU ever considered he might be right?

Jesus wept indeed, if only you could read you would see what I am saying is not at all what you have assumed. Stop skimming what you read and read it fully.

But of course this does not apply to how main stream media hoodwinks the masses. Oh no, of course now LOL. You just cannot or will not see it. Both sides are the same. Neither is willing to concede they may be wrong. I on the other hand DO. This is what I have been saying. Listen to all opinions and options. Don't become hoodwinked in to believing one faction. Keep the mind totally open. A waste of time typing this I know. But one has to try and make people realise their own folly in being so hard to one side without trying to see the endless possibilities and the fact they may have been lied to.

And there lies the exact problem with people like you and the world today. Once you hear something you don't agree with you switch off and refuse to listen to more. You need to stop being so self important and opinionated. Listen to everyone, good and bad, stuff you agree with and stuff you don't. Open your mind. Expand your horizons. Else all you are doing is self enforcing your own opinion, feelings and beliefs and it is then that you stop growing as a person. I note there ate many like this on this forum so doubtless I am wasting my time. But I always have to try. But I will end it there. Remain in your dark safe self enforcing cave if you like. I prefer to listen to as many different views as i can to form opinions.

Really? Where did I say that?

Trust me, you are wasting your time with that stuff here mate. This forum is an echo chamber of people far left and totally brainwashed to believe everything on TV (unless it does not fit in with their personal beliefs, you will see a lot of double standards on that). I used to try and show people things like this to try and at least crack the door open for them, but I gave up ages back as they just refuse to believe it is even possible. Totally closed minds to any possibility other than what they are told by the TV and government they hate.

It is interesting the we disregard people such as Icke as nutters, yet this video clearly shows way back in 1996, he knew what was coming. Personally, I believe Icke is probably what is called a shill. I think eh was planted to confuse us, as a lot of what he says is clever and makes sense and a lot of what he says is crazy, so you end up really not listening to him perhaps. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1236997490247520

I really don't get it. Was it Brighton who just paid 30m for a Watford player? But Tella, JWP and Tino are not worth that amount?

That could be the best thing since sliced bread.

Not sure how people think this is a tough start, although of course at this time there are a lot of unknowns for the season to come. We don't even know how good our team/squad might be. But looking at these fixtures i would say; Wednesday newly promoted, might struggle as many do at the quite big jump up, especially with no new manager in place yet and only 6 weeks left for him to get them into shape etc. Norwich no idea what to expect from them this season but they have no big funds and thus i expect them to be mid table ish or a bit lower. Not gonna be top 6. Plymouth, like the Owls, as good as a season they just had, they will probably stumble a bit, but might get off to a good start with feel good factor. Not top 6. QPR got off to a good start last term but then slumped badly. Not top 6, but maybe they have a good start again. Sundarland, like a lot of teams who fail in the play off's, likely they will slump a bit this season and not be top 6 again. Leicester, might lose a lot of their better players and by all accounts have a limited spend budget. They might be bottom half. Ipswich, we should be winning these sorts of games. They will not be top 6. Boro, similar to Sunderland, they may have peaked this last season and not do so well. It is often the case in the championship i have noted. Leeds, toughest game of the lot so far as i can determine. All this said, pretty much totally unknown as i said at the beginning as we have no idea at all who we will have lining up for us and how good RM may or may not be. Nonetheless i am very excited for the season as we have something to play for. In the EPL we have nothing to play for other than survival.

So, by that rationale, is it not possible that some right wing conservatives can agree with some of their policies without being bigots, gammon's and right wing nutters?

Highly desired players are often snapped up early doors. I know the majority of people think JWP is the best in the world, but sadly he is far from it. This is why he is not being snapped up fast.

It is interesting you say that. One might also ask, why it is you cannot disagree with Labour views and policies without being labelled a bigot, racist, gammon right wing nutter. If we want to do away with labels, perhaps first we need to ALL stop using them?

I think one of the main reasons, if not the main reason is that PL clubs just don't agree with his SFC valuation. He simply is not that good, despite what many think. That is why there is no queue of clubs after him at 40-50m at this time. Yeah, someone might panic buy later in the window, but right now no one will pay that kind of money for him.

https://ibb.co/n13dhSh Nope, there was no lying, no selling and nothing at all to see. And none of them have back peddled after the event to say that they never said these things. The whole thing was totally run properly and there was no attempt to control or make money from it all whatsoever! [url=https://ibb.co/n13dhSh][img]https://i.ibb.co/LgQj4f4/vax-bs.jpg[/img][/url] PS. I have no idea how to embed an image.

Not a chance in hell of us winning. There is non way the EPL will allow us to win as it will belittle their league. They cannot allow it to be shown clubs have cheated. Most seem to agree with this.

This is the point I have been trying to make but it seems to have had the wooosh effect on most asking me irrelevant questions back. The fact of the matter is very clear. The governments and elite took risks with their own health which they would NOT have done had this have been a really deadly virus. They knew it was not, hence the risks they took. This was simply an exercise/test to see how much control they can hold over the populations. Of course, only time will tell when they do it again, which they will in some sort of guise. And once again, the people in the main will happily give up their freedoms in the name of protection. Search for the video from the US senate meetings where a Chief exec of twitter admitted they were being run by the CIA and FBI etc., during covid. They admitted they were ordered to censor anything that went against the narative. That is a fact. Proven and admitted. Then ask yourself, why did they feel the need to do this?

So, self centered twats would risk their lives like this amidst a deadly virus outbreak, yes? There is a huge difference between being self centered and taking your life into your own hands. People like Boris are cowards, no way he would risk his own life for anyone. So, amidst the most deadly virus in 100 years, why would a self serving coward like Boris take his life in to his own hands in such a reckless way. The answer is very simple. he wouldn't, ever!

This is the point I am making. If it was so deadly and serious as to lock everyone inside, why did they act like it was not serious and carry on as normal?

Now, lets use some logic here. Put aside tin foil hats etc., and just use logic. IF the government KNEW this virus was deadly, do you believe they would have acted like this?

Quite perfectly said mate. This is the problem with 80% of the people I meet and talk to. They refuse to accept they might be wrong. I am open to both sides. Matt and his like may have some very valid points that may come to be true. Just as likely, they might be totally wrong. Who knows. It's a bit like flat earth theory and moon hoax. I have a mate who is well into it and he shows me his evidence etc. But, as I say to him, I don't really care. If the earth is flat, will I avoid cancer? Will I pay less tax? What effect will it have on my life. Bugger all, so who cares. That said, in the case of Covid, I do care because if they have been unethical with the truth and people are dying because of it, they should be held to account. My guess is we will never know.

Cannot see that myself. We paid way more for Adam Armstrong and Tella has proven himself better. If SFC sell him for under 20m then they are fools. Going by the rate other championship players have gone for, he is worth 22-25m I think personally.

And their GK, Paul Cooper. Unlucky to have been born in an era of so many great keepers or he would have got a lot of England caps.

Indeed. I do not want to get involved in threads like this as people are too myopic. They are either this side or the other and cannot see anything in between. But the economy in Germany is indeed in a bad way. I suspect that is just the way of the world and COVID lock downs. So, why are people so convinced the UK is suffering ONLY because of Brexit. It beggars belief that people can be so blinded by their political persuasions as to simply shut their ears and eyes to other probabilities. Anyway, said my piece. Wont be getting involved further as some of the characters and abuse in this section of the forum goes way beyond reasonable human behavior.

3-1 Brighton today. The usual goal from Alcaraz or perhaps JWP. Other than that, similar pattern of meaningless possession football and terrible mistakes at the back.