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Reeves again, sounding very lively. And Hooiveld looking to make a further mark...... maybe a bit of a confidence player who just couldn't flourish at Celtic? Needed a bit of Adkins style TLC.

Superb. 1-0 up, and Reeves almost makes it 2!

De Ridder turns into trouble - Spurned a chance there. Two unmarked in front of goal if he could have found them.

COYR's That is all for now.

Wash the kit? You mean that Saintsweb has a kit? I may be available... but honestly, you should only field me as a last resort, I'm genuinely sh!te!!

Frankly, I don't see there being a defined peak. We will I believe have a period of inclement form at some point this season and that will be the acid test of our current team and infrastructure. I wouldn't see it being the start of a decline though, at worst a plateau. We may end up yo-yoing over the next few years if promotion happens and providing the club remains stable we will keep progressing.

Slight deflection I believe. Free kicks from that distance can be a lottery at times.

I would say at the end of January. At that point if we have: 1) Been playing consistently well and be in a play-off/automatic position 2) Kept the bulk of squad together through the transfer window 3) Strengthened in the transfer window Then I will believe we have a chance.

Really? Oh great, I promised the yellow kit to my three year old step daughter.

I can't disagree with that and I would go along with the logic you are suggesting, although retraining doesn't mean shaking off your record. What is the point of a record if it is not a trace of behaviour? If all crimes are repent after the punishment is served why keep a record? You missbehave you pay the consequence, the industry should be a secondary issue.... so yes, let the cleaner reflect. And the morally bankrupt clubs, that's were we come in.... and they do have a lot to answer for.

My team: ------------------ Bart -------------------- Butters ---- Martin --- Hooiveld ---- Harding De Ridder -- Morgan -- Chaplow ----- Isgrove ---------- Lambert ---- Forte -------------- Yes, I would start Isgrove, I rate him that highly.

Then I will maintain my viewpoint. I respect you said that you agree with the moral standpoint, but I do not see how that equates to your thought of it being a deprivation of rights that someone is deprived of fulfilling their talent when that is evidently something that occurs in most industries where a criminal record is concerned. If more people protested at individuals like King getting a contract after prison release then maybe there would be hope.... alas I remember the Cov fans celebrating the coup..... they reaped what they sowed.

You ask him that. Apparently there is a skills shortage in engineering. Not that he would know, criminal convictions deprive people of fulfilling their talent every day, but because it's football it's a different rule set. Not just in this case but many others. At a lesser level there are lads in my local who struggle to get menial jobs, they have petty offences on their criminal records but cannot get a job of any real sort because they are considered a risk. At most levels of society a criminal record is considered a handicap and seriously effects career prospects never mind talent, never mind ability and willing. It is something that scars and masks peoples lives..... yet footballers live on a different plain.

A man refused a career at an automotive supplier as a designer because he has a conviction for assault (just the one conviction, after a night out and alcohol influenced, no defence but less happens to many, and this was an isolated incident), despite his masters degree in engineering. He served his time! Went through the motions, but now works in McDonalds, and is lucky to have the job.

And many people who commit lesser offences then King are denied this. That is why I take issue with him, it cannot be one rule for one and another for the footballer.

Out of interest, Mrs Colinjb and I decided on the following names: Male: Arthur Female: Molly, Megan, Holly, Dotty, Evie.

It's a combination of the two though. It's not about the pay, it's about the reputation and impact of him continuing in a high profile role. That he is permitted to continue as he is tells the younger generations that your beahviour doesn't matter if you are in the upper bracket of sticking a ball into a net. At a non-league club it would still be an issue for me, but granted not to the same degree. I am a fan of non-league Margate, and the thought of someone like King playing for them sickens me all the same mind. Talent seems to outweigh criminality and consequence. That is the part I have issue with. Two men commit the same offence (A sales rep and a footballer say) but only one of those has the long term destruction of career.

I've been called worse I am just worried that it'll come back to bite us on the arse I suppose.

I would flip that by saying its a desire to see him having no divine right to more glamourous one. The talent he displays has seen doors opened for him that would never have been revealed to someone of less a gift. It is horrible innequality. Criminality means nothing if you can kick a ball effectively, but if you are a sales rep who misbehaved, you're f*cked.

Well, who makes that determination for regular sex offenders/violent criminals? It is a subjective thing, granted, but their behaviour bars many less 'talented' criminals from many, many jobs. That he hasn't been barred from a position of respect (for want of a better description) makes it repulsive to me. As you say, We may have to agree to dissagree.

A good shout to be fair...... I wonder if it would take off?

I cannot agree that it's irrelevant. I'm sorry but employment by an organisation, particularly one that is a pillar of the community like a football club is (regardless of intent, it is a massive focal point) even after the crimes he has commited and consistency of his behaviour is almost tantamount to saying, "oh, if you're talented it doesn't matter what you do, you'll be given a king's ransom anyway!" It shouldn't matter if you are a cleaner or a striker. You break the law it makes you inelligable to work in these environments. And regarding the academy coach aspect, I know for a fact that King worked with academy players in his time at Coventry.

Football Clubs have academys. Minors work in them and the senior pros are encouraged to work with the youngsters in many cases. Rigorous checks are carried out to ensure that coaches, support staff and various other personel are 'suitable' to work in these environments. Yet individuals like Marlon King can bypass that due to their supposed 'value' to a club. God, the number of kids in Coventry that looked up to him..... despite his convictions and behaviour that is still a factor. It does actually sicken me.

You work with or around minors, you assault someone, do you expect to pass the entry requirements afterwards?