Saint-Fred

There is no doubt our owners are/have been great for us. However you won't know if any new owner is better or worse until it happens. If,and its a big if, she is considering selling (we have had rumours like this many times before so personally I don't believe it would be true) then that's her choice. If she does sell do we add her to the defectors thread?

I'd like to think that human error and natural pressure from the size of the partisan crowd is the biggest influence but then sometimes you do start to think that with the money involved whether any of it is actually staged?

Really? How old actually are you?

Just back..my arsenal fan mates at the game with us thought they were fortunate and a draw would have been about right. Said they had chances but didn't test Forster at all..which thinking about it they are right I am not sure he had a save to make? I thought we looked better today but always had a suspicion the diamond would perform better against the better sides. Forster booking was harsh given we have goalies signalled a warning from the ref about 4-5 times before the ref even gives them a verbal warning at our place. Penalty was just bizarre with a the head injury and not a lot of contact. Lols at the load of bookings during the incident..ref had just lost it completely. Good strike for our goal but a bit of luck involved. At times we ran the game totally but at times they seemed to walk through us.. OR my MOTM.

Doh..walked right into that one!

You can't tell me what to do! :-)

S Lol you make me laugh..even when you're wrong, you are either "can't remember" "don't understand" or resort to "you're not good at this" type comments...at least you are consistent..or an idiot? Either way you do make me smile! :-)

Lol sorry got to point this out CB..first you say that you know what I want then you contradict yourself saying you are not saying I have an agenda..then you say contradicting yourself is worse! Make up your mind man!! Lucky we agree now though...

Lol didn't think you would...thought it would "slip your mind" All good then so we agree :-) happy days!

Oh yeah..nice to know he knows his history! Or do you reckon he has Chelsea on his mind as that is where he fancies his client going next?

To be clear my view is FFP should be scrapped. The club can choose their own path. Have you found those two lots of proof about those "facts" you quoted yet? ...no thought not.

No you are not right! I am not going to bite to your attempts to make it seem like I have an agenda I am afraid so nice try. Anyway How would chatting on a site like this even affect what happens at our club? This isn't even about only Saints? My viewpoint is that FFP is pointless as in my opinion it (as the article indicates) creates an advantage for the already haves yet hasn't stopped clubs running up massive debts. So what use is it?

, They have sold 14 players to United Liverpool and Chelsea? Who have we sold to Chelsea? I honestly can't remember that..someone remind me?

Thing is our potential 60 million audience is dwarfed by the potential billions around the world who may have more interest in Man U v (any team in their particular country). It makes sense financially to take it global if a couple of teams dominate a domestic league. The only thing that should make the clubs wary would be is it better to have domestic dominance, winning trophies regularily or to be in a league of like sized clubs and risk mid table mediocrity year after year? However the answer to that is probably the same situation we find ourselves in...no chance of winning anything but better off financially in the top division. If it does happens I think 2/3/400 million transfers would follow very quickly as those clubs fought for the top.

L I thought the idea was to stop there being another portsmuff? If that's the case then the uefa rules are ineffective..why would Sunderland care about uefa sanctions when running up 200m in debt? Or is it to create a level playing field where the artificial injection of funds above their income is stopped? Or are they in place to stop some other club joining the top table? I don't mean if that is the unstated real reason, I mean what is the actual aim of FFP?

I can't see how it works for the championship...although I see Cardiff are selling players to stay within the 13m loss every year that they are allowed. So they are still running up massive debts and there is no consequence to that sporting wise. They will still go bust they just won't have any short term success whilst doing it...

How many players who meet that description have we actually sold to one of the big clubs?

Bet it was when he was chasing his own backpass!

Fair enough.. But if the huge clubs can breach it with little consequence like Man City did (what was it 17m in the end?) and a team for example Everton can invest loads and only face a potential fine and as they aren't in Europe there is no punishment there either...then how is that sporting and "fair play" to a club being run within its means like arsenal or saints? Surely then we should care? Then again life's not fair so maybe we shouldn't care as you suggest?

Ok what is the consequence if the Everton owners throw 300m at thier team? I am not suggesting we should just can't see much if a deterrent should an owner wish to? Would it be best to spend it all in one season then next season there is no further consequences?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37307621 Lol no **** Sherlock! If Katrina decided to bung 300m at our team what would be the consequence? I know City were fined and lost a squad place for the champions league but ultimately it seems to have been ineffective? It hasn't stopped Sunderland running up 200m in debt and Chelsea still owe a billion to Roman I thought I read? Certain clubs seem to be able to spend what they like (Chelsea PSG Man City QPR Man Utd) with little consequence -even based on their turnover the numbers they have been spending is just extreme.....yet even our fans seem worried about falling foul of it? So what would be the consequence if we did have a massive investment?

The diamond might work better against a better side- revert to pace up front so Long back in, and hopefully we might get some breakaway chances for Redmond& Long . I'd expect them to create chances though- last years nil nil was down to Forster being unbelievable so I reckon 3-2.

As a point to show three games don't make a crises I do get but comparing performances, shots on target etc? In my mind I can't see the relevance of that. Two of those games last year were away so again it's not comparing eggs with eggs... Some people are going to be worried, some will be waiting to see how it unfolds and some will be extremely optimistic about the next few games...however what happened last year after the first three games will not have any bearing on which of the three sets of views is correct! - so again as an example of it not being a crises it's good but as a prediction of what happens next it's a waste of time?

Don't think he will be back until 2018/9 or later when Fonte eventually leaves and he comes back to say "told you he was definitely going"