that's irrelevant an and you know the context it was meant in. Ramirez last season constantly gave the ball away, and he has started in the same way this season. People can come on here and talk about class and good he can be, the fact is , Villa, Everton, Arsenal aside he has not been up to it. Its not player bashing, it an opinion, but would you have him ahead of Lallana, Morgan, Cork, Victor based on his form?