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I can't leave it there westofshannonsaint. I feel like a right pillock now, I apologise. That came out all wrong, I shall try to explain why I said that. I have always had an opinion on 'the troubles' personally. Many is the time that I could not sleep because I wanted my 'Dad to come home. I never however quite got the Irish/IRA thing, Irish people were treated abysmally by my (wtf?) government. They have done bad things throughout history and will continue to do so. And unfortunately it means that they also write the history books. We have never fought a war that was 'right', only wars that we think were 'right'. I was genuinely trying to say that one or two people on here should take a breather and calm down. This debate is not a war it is just a friendly discussion. When I am at meetings that are going this way, we always have a fag break, now where's my fags. A terrible example given earlier, but not meant to cause offence to anyone.

imho the online gambling debt should be wiped. Bookies should help tose that they have benefitted from who clearly have a gambling addiction. Got to pay your taxes though Colin, although tbh Well done for trying to get away with it, I like civil disobedience, my favourite is football violence though! Just people standing up for thier right to damage someone else's property, bloody police, always fitting people up. ACAB. and hope you and your family can find a way through all this. Whatever you do do not fall out with your family, especially over something as trivial as something with the queen's head on it. The system sucks mate, tune in, chill out and **** the lot of tem, they are just a bunch of shysters, you only get one family,

One finl word to offer a bit of a breather to anyone who's ****ing interested (added to add weight to my seriousness and ergo making me right). The scene of the Great Train Robbery is only yards from a pub called The Globe on the Grand Union Canal, near to Milton Keynes, wher you can sit outside supping a lovely warm pint of 'Matron's Knickers' pondering life, the universe and football. It is rumoured that the (then) landlord retired very soon aftrewards, rumoured to be because (at just 48) he had had a little windfall. Was he involved? Anyway, you can sit there looking at the very spot that it all took place. It's pretty boring tbh but it is the one thing on this thread that can be said to be a FACT. FACT.

If I had been born to Irish parents in Belfast I would quite possibly be lying in a grave for believing that I 'knew' what was right. We all need to remember to put 'iMho' at the end of our posts maybe? I am of the opinion that had these people taken a different route home, we would not even be having this conversation had they done that. Having said that, the sentences ARE iMho harsh, I am agreeing with your argument. I wish that I had kept my opinion to myself, sorry. I shall not be posting any more of my opinions on this thread....though I may well study it's progress (lol).

Rhodda - 'this is Carlton, your doorman' (classic US comedy).

/\ 4pm I quite like this site but all the conotations can do your head in: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/kostage.html

You'll hang if you're not careful benjii.

Harvey, when your view is so intrenched you are liable to not be able to discuss alternatives. You are correct that it is not rocket surgery but what it is, is a subject where there are many different opinions, I have mine and you have yours...please try to accept that otherwise I will have to come around to your gaff and throw my lighter in your garden. ;-) From where I was stood quite a number in the northam end were quite 'up for it' and have in the past proven just how easy it can be to get on the pitch. Crikey we even havea couple of little kids, now infamous, for getting onto more football league pitches than Antony Pulis.

I also predict that the team that comes through our section ie, argentine, england, germany and mexico will go on to win the thing. It is imho the toughest group of teams ith the eventual victors coming through beaten and bloodied ready for anyone. Three distinct styles of football which on their day really do get the juices flowing.

The US of A. Failing that...erm...erm......who else is left in?

I really can't see how the police could be accused of causing the trouble for sinister reasons otherwise why have that fence erected? Over the top custodials perhaps but if they had really wanted to create a situation then they would have let the northam exiting the stadium get involved but they didn't, they actually made it nigh on impossible with the exception of people choosing to run all the way around the stadium by which time they would quite likely be too cream crackered to piuck up a chair let alone throw one.

I saw that. Who the F does that Cordon bloke think he is calling him 'LeTiss'? It's 'Matt' to you, you sit-com ******.

One thing that I enjoyed immensely this afternoon was hearing all that singing, about 40 of us at work were singing Rule Brittania with them. Sunday will be even better and I shall be drinking with like-minded football fans (and some women) from before kick off until I cannot physically go to the toilet for a wee without assistance.

just saw them on the news, couldn;t help thinking..... .don't they look like their Dads.

some of us prefer stuff that does not require the listener to be pilled up to the eyeballs. Only joshing, I expect that peopel from our era are quite likely pilled up for medical reasons, which does in fact make us boring I suppose as there is a world of differnce between choosing to take drugs and having to take them.

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I'm not so sure Turkish, I am pretty confident in saying that it would have been considered and had it been, would have strenthened the argument for having a more controlled hot-spot which was already in situ and evidently kept violent disorder to a minimum. I think that whichever side of the fence (intentional pun) one sits, we have to admit that there was relatively minimal trouble. Having said that I do personally think that the crime does not fit the punishment and have some if not a lot of sympathy for the convicted but quite a lot of sympathy for their families who are (let's face it) innocent but will suffer disproportionately as an effect. How many times have we had fans invade the pitch since we moved to SMS I wonder? And can you imagine the scenes if saints and Pompey started exchanging flares and punches on the pitch?

We have the opportunity to really put some ghosts to bed over the next week or two. We could beat Germany this Sunday (get in), beat the Argies the following Saturday (get the **** in) and after a mid week semi go on to prove to the whole wide World that we THE greatest footballing nation ever on the following Sunday against the Yanks. It's called FOOTBALL you damned yankees, it's a game where you kick a BALL with your FOOT. This WC really is set up for us, let it be written.

They're not in it though. I was thinking more along the lines of encouraging our bit's of squeeze to join in the not shaving bit too.

Is that a bona-fide offer beatlesaint? i also have a Chad Valley musical teddy which plays 'Hey Jude'. Had an enquiry by PM a while ago but I may donate it to the Beatles Museum and get my name imortalised into the deal. The only other one I ever actually saw with my own eyes was also owned by me, it was missing his tongue. When we (hopes) move I will have no option but to either put all my crap in storage or sell up. I'd love to give the teddy to one of the grandkids but I would be mortified if it ever got eaten by their dog or worse...cuddled. btw, where best to sell Beatles stuff anyone? I let an almost full set of Beatles Gum cards go for a measly £20 a while back and my original reel-to-rell of Rubber Soul made me a paltry £15! (still have the bruises from kicking myslef).

I just wonder if the police HAD kept the pompey fans in, whether some saints may have decided to go on the pitch to taunt them. Seeing them leave in a way gave the green light for everybody intent on causing (or even innocently watching) the flash points to head for Brittannia road where the police could better control the situation. In the past there have been one or two occasions when the stewards etc have not been able to contain fans on the pitch. I really do think that letting all out together could have been the lesser of the two risk-wise, added to the fact that people from the Northam End could not get involved initially whereas within the stadium it would have been carnage with many more innocent people getting involved.

I thought that gambling debts weren't considered to be proper debts. Where did I get that from?

Have we apologosed for that yet?

My Dad played a concert or two in the famous caves on Gib. You can still buy the recordings i think.

Brilliant to be in the knock-out stages, I am made up. Must get stocked up with beer and bbq grub tomorrow, ASDA will be heaving on Sunday if the weather is like it was today. The scene is set.