dubai_phil

Yawn. This can also be construed as a victory for whoever (in Saints Lore terms) could be called "Dark Forces" by NI who have acted and managed to get the bid canned. It's a conspiracy, everyone is conspiring - at the moment to cover their asses (Cameron, NI and the Police) It will keep coming, this is the beginning, plenty more scandal to be released.

I liked the summary, it was simples like me. Public Sector Pensions the liability is now 42,000 pounds for every tax payer in the UK. Think this was in the Torygraph today before Hacking blew it away, the other below was somewhere I recall ages ago Not bad considering every non public pension saver needs to have a minimum of 190k in pensions saving to be able to survive above the poverty line.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-489594/Southampton-mystery-bidder.html http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23417910-saints-are-the-goal-for-secretive-hedge-fund.do

A key point that was missed by many at the time and which has yet to be posted on here. SISU were a HEDGE FUND. They were not in any way shape or form an INVESTMENT COMPANY. Hedge Funds make money from things going down in price (in simple terms). In the economic climate of the time, it was boom boom boom, a Hedge Fund could see that buying Saints for peanuts trimming to the bone and then "flipping" the club could make them a very large sum of money. They were shown the door, rightly, they had no money to offer (as Coventry have found out) They went to Coventry and many fans went into manic depression. Of course they got Coventry for a peanut, unfortunately the world went bust and they got stuck with them. They will be very lucky t o get a peanut back. Some of TSF posted stuff like this at the time but got beaten up by Chorley's buddies for being Lowe luvvies Anyway - hahahahaha at Coventry, good luck getting rid of them

Ah the naivety. But Rebekha Brooks has already admitted having a conversation with Gordon before going to press. The same Sun Article states that Gordon's advisors made comments in the article which implied his consent. In a court of law RB DID talk to Gord. Of course I think everybody on the planet with a brain knows what she ACTUALLY said, but I doubt it is recorded in Gordon's files

Guys FFS. Will you get off on the not reading what I said line. Gordon gave a TV interview, I POSTED a comment IN QUOTES that he made in that interview. I did not at any time refer to what that was in connection about - kids or money. He gave ONE interview where he said "I'm shocked, I'm genuinely shocked, to find that this happened because of their links with criminals, known criminals, who were undertaking this activity, hired by investigators with the Sunday Times " Do not see any mention of the word hacked there Verbal. Kindly stop putting words I have not used into responses. He gave ammunition to News Int. Surely he is not so naive at this time to think an attack on a NI publications would not be responded to. Other media sources also appear to have made false allegations as to how the medical records have been obtained. No doubt lawyers are dissecting all of those articles as we type. Look obviously it is a far to simple concept for you BTF & Verbal. People should be careful what they say at this time. Brown said xxxxx Attention is now diverted because the Sun says we have proof of YYY. And yet you've gone off on a "save the poor little children" defence. It is nothing to do with that BTF, the issue is NOT about defending Brown & his kids it is about BEING CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY. - It is a line I have been consistent with since day one of this, Keith Vaz is under attack - so far about the only person with enough brains to be careful in his attacks has been Milliband

And where did anyone say that? He gave a TV interview after the news broke. He used the interview to make his feelings known and give information.

Ah so we need a 3rd thread on this

So he did not make a comment? Of course he did. He's a politician, they NEVER open their mouths without a reason on any subject Sorry, again, this is possibly the biggest scandal to hit the UK since forever. Police Corruption, Criminal Company Directors, Multi-National Corporations employing criminals and making payments that do not appear to have had an audit trail? Alleged Criminals working as the Personal Advisor to the Prime Minister? It is a massive Conspiracy and Gordon for one (among many on all sides) is under scrutiny for NOT pushing for/strongly demanding an Inquiry when he was PM. It is a media firestorm. Anything that anybody SAYS is going to be micro-analysed. If he did not intend to "throw a stone" why did he so forcibly say "Criminal Activity"? He could have chosen less provacative words. Sorry, he is as much a part of this ongoing mess as anyone else, and not just as a victim. Of COURSE he had the right to be outraged and to make a comment. But FFS he is not a media amateur, he knows that you have to choose words carefully. Of COURSE he has the right to protect his family & to be concerned about Tax Information Bank Details etc being hacked. BUT the FACT remains that HIS choice of words in an interview have given ammunition for people to attack him. is he (and you) REALLY so naive to think that the bad guys would not take ANY chance to divert attention? Hell, even the Police have said "deflection" or "diverting attention" is what is going on. If he was a simple member of the public who was wronged - then fair play, but it wasn't a carefully worded statement it was a TV interview. How many of those has he actually given since getting canned? Even the Dowler family have been very careful in their statements. Again, while I defend his right to state his case it was HIM that put HIS words so strongly and without a single caveat - Christ he's a POLITICIAN FFS - they never make a clear statement on anything! A cynic would suggest that questions have been asked about Gordon's decisions on this issue while he was PM. It would not be a great leap to imagine that bringing "Family, tears and Sorrow" into the public domain was not a lame attempt to win back some moral high ground in the light of those questions. THAT is not what I have been getting at, but I am sure you will see that written somewhere in the media pretty soon. My point remains it wasn't about Brown's right to defend his family matters per se, but simply as I stated before - everybody in this mess has to be VERY careful about what they say. One stupid or wrong comment could undermine the Investigations. hell in this case IF The Sun has legal PROOF, then Gordon may well be in trouble or even accused of making False Accusations with possible legal implications.

And, equally, in this case because they had the cover of a legal afadavit, they finally have some real ammunition to shoot back with. From my view point it just shows again that the whole Stone Throwing mindset that has been prevalent in some quarters really should be tempered. Gordon is probably completely right in what he said, but he threw a stone and it was a wrong one. There is simply so much more still to come and specific bandwagon jumping or attacks are NOT what wise people should be doing right now. Express outrage and ask cynical questions, add facts to the fire, but be VERY careful about expressing ACTUAL opinions just yet. Even Kieth Vaz yesterday has been the target of attacks and NOT from News Int. His "unconvincing" comment about Yates is already being turned back onto him. Let the big picture emerge. Gordon could have had the same impact yesterday IF he had a brain by adding "It would be extremely distressing to find firm evidence that this information was obtained by people with Criminal Connections and would ask more questions about the culture at NI". But he didn't he went for the soundbite. Still he was always a.......

the Sun? Give over, they don't give a rat's arse about their UK operations at the moment, the battle now is to save a US company with $35 BILLION of sales globally. And tied in to that the battle to save a number of banks with exposed Bond positions to that company and then to save the money of a great number of Pension & Investment Funds holding YOUR money. Fox News in the US virtually tells Politicians what to do, their stance against Obama has been embarrassing to say the least. Plenty of enemies over there Sun? Times? Nowt? mere zits on the backside of News Corp worth mere peanuts

Yes, but re-reading things again, Gord's choice of words are one thing, but there is one VERY damming statement from News Int, which begs a question (again) _IF quotes from Brown advisors were used in the original story, WHY the comment from Brown about Illegal Means NOW? It's a small footnote in this whole sorry saga but Gord's comment could be deemed to be disingenious at least and IF his advisors knew and made quotes - downright wrong. Equally IF that data had been obtained illegally, The Sun have their asses very firmly covered and a Lawyer & the member of Public will be in very deep sh1t However none of this actual condones the fact that papers should print stories about sick children, OR condone t he fact that the Great British Public would want to READ stories like that.

Statement from News Int yesterday on Skynews website alleged the same thing, of course as it came from NI nobody gave it any credence http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/The-Sun-Fights-Back-And-Interviews-Source-Of-Story-On-Cystic-Fibrosis-Of-Gordon-Browns-Son-Fraser/Article/201107216029360?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_16029360_The_Sun_Fights_Back_And_Interviews_Source_Of_Story_On_Cystic_Fibrosis_Of_Gordon_Browns_Son_Fraser Meanwhile the end game starts to take shape. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8633453/Phone-hacking-axe-murder-detective-to-sue.html Hacked for investigating possibility that an NI employee was a murder suspect - oops - oh and how bright were they? Investigated to see if he was having an affair - with his WIFE - lol According to the info yesterday possibly as many as 12,000 people affected, 3870 definites and 170 contacted by police. Average out of court damages so far seem to have been around 100,000. Better start selling shares in NI & NC As I posted previously, US Legislators now getting interested. SOX rules on Invoices payments and financial records but also the FCPA - that one WILL burn them, Yanks hate the idea of Bribery - look at the pressure they put on BAe in Saudi. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8633406/Phone-hacking-pressure-in-United-States-to-investigate-News-Corporation.html Attacks beginning on Keith Vaz - that paragon of virtue - (suspended for misleading The House Standards & Ethics Committee) for piling in to John Yates. He seemed to forget yesterday that Yates was told simply to read the Guardian Report to see if it showed any new evidence. He WASN'T asked to review the entire case. The story in that is not Yates' competence, it was WHO asked him that question THAT way. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/8633075/The-wrong-target.html

In a lighter moment, anyone see the Simpsons last night on Sky? Caused a bit of a stir today on Twitter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8632272/Twitter-hilarity-as-Simpsons-poke-fun-at-Rupert-Murdoch.html

More bad news for the Police someone tweeted on Telegraph that more bad news was coming at 5pm - maybe this is the start of another direction. Ouch, on top of the Cops taking cash nightmare then you have the reason they would want to do it - so they get an exact location of where somebody is, then there are products available that will scan and find that number and bingo, not just voicemail hacked but your entire mobile conversations.

Nice golf course there I recall & enjoyed going up the chairlift to the ski area for the views

Which is why this should stay "non-political" at least on here. So much more still to come. Now Police think they have enough to interview Brooks & both Murdochs, rumours of more releases at 5pm today. Anyone taking a party line could end up looking stupid at best. What we have here is a classic old fashioned conspiracy to defraud, deceive and downright be illegal, followed by a classic cover up and a classic exposure. The interest remains in whether there could be conspiracies within conspiracies, not about who looks or comes out of it best for some moment in time Opinion Poll. FFS - appearances - that's one of the reasons that NI (and maybe others) went down this road in the first place. Political point scoring is petty at this time, there will be a lot more time for that once "The Whole truth" is out there (or a whole lot more than we have so far) - new leaders of Political Parties, New laws, People's lives and careers destroyed. This is NOT a party Political broadcast, it's a disaster for the UK of massive proportions. Get more facts THEN go hang the culprits from EVERY side, Media, Police, Politicians and Criminals

Even the new sponsors logo failed to hide the fact that Jaidi returned from his summer vacation carrying a few hundred extra pounds

Yet. Posted that we should watch out for this to start not 30mins ago

My buddies in IT Security just commented on an interesting Internet rumour... Various (proper) hacking groups - inc one called Anonymous have "vowed to take down Murdoch & his family & NI execs " by accessing personal and corporate data and publishing it into media such as Wikileaks. Apparently their is no shortage of volunteers. Pandora's box

Tweets circulating that News Corp in US planning "Get out of Dodge" strategy to sell/dump News International. Suggestions of a new power emerging to drive this. Problems possibly for Dow Jones - current chairman was NI CEO & made what now appear to be "less than complete" statements to Parliament. Contagion. Yes the UK can rejoice at the idea of sending RM back with his tail between his legs, but a fire sale will affect many pension & savings plans (again)

You mean you hadn't noticed.....

Whatever happened to Woodward & Bernstein?

hence the article yesterday about the Police being furious that a number on here already commented on But THIS one in even MORE explosive..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8631456/Senior-detectives-investigating-hacking-had-phones-targeted.html

Yes, obviously, and many other articles in many other papers feeding from that or expanding on it. So again, is the current explosion simply because the UK population became so immune to scandals that it took the horror of hacking Milly Dowler's phone or The Afghan Soldiers to "take things to this level?". The story as you say isn't a new one. So again - can take it all at face value and believe it was just about timing circumstance and emotion, or can ask when did they know about her phone being hacked? From what I have read, that info only came to light in the release in January, and Police told the Dowlers some days before the story broke. But I think I read that some days ago and there are so many pages on this damned if I can google it now!