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The WDA was re-opened because Johnson sold out the unionists and ditched the redline over a border down the Irish Sea - ie he caved. Norway was a prediction of what might happen in the future. I assumed elected Government ministers wouldn't make promises they knew were undeliverable. Turns out they are that low after all. Its not beyond Johnson to make another EU turn whilst declaring it a great victory and the credulous like you will lap it up.

I wouldn't call 50 years 'soon'

You don't understand the norms for the southern states. Penis in the vag is sex. Everything else, and I mean everything else, is not sex. I discovered that one night when a woman came back to my room on condition of my promising 'no sex' and she surprised me. Was genuinely offended at the suggestion afterwards that we had in fact had sex, and insisted she was a virgin. Only very technically.

He did, as did many others. You do the work of digging them out if you really can't recall. It should be bleeding obvious. Self evident that you cant have a single market with everybody operating to different rules because otherwise it becomes, um, 27 different markets. Apparently not bleedin obvious enough.

You haven't quite grasped how society works have you? Some people like and use stuff you don't. Imagine that. You only want to fund the parts you use? Maybe we should close down defence, policing, education etc in Warrington and everywhere else you never go to?

"Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history" because our rules and laws are already the same, the international trade secretary has said." Liam Fox. Kin difficult if you insist on dumping that existing alignment though....

It's childlike. First the refusal to listen to anybody suggesting unicorns don't exist. Then blaming everybody but themselves when it turns out they don't.

Not the US which has failed then? Given that the EU has 40 deals with 70 countries and the US has 17 deals with 20 countries who would you think is responsible?

So what you're saying is geography and frictionless trade really does matter? Despite having economies around 8 times bigger the US and China have only slightly more trade with the EU. To avoid losing this advantage the UK should maintain frictionless trade. Is that your point?

You're desperate because you keep on urging the bookies to pay up because your bet is ahead at half time. I agree Norway looks less likely than two years ago. But then so does WTO. Johnson has successfully boxed himself in. The last Parliament voted a number of times against no deal. It remains to be seen whether this Parliament will do the same

Haha, you get more desperate by the day Wes. I'll pay when the Fat Lady sings and deal is signed and ratified.

Yes of course. They are all bespoke to the extent that each country wants something different. That doesnt mean though that, for example, we could start reshipping cheap chlorinated antibiotic laden chicken to the EU and they would dismantle their standards for us, especially if we werent allowing in similar products from them. The whole point is to create ca level playing field. You run a pub / restaurant I think. Your place only survives because your local competitors also have to pay at least minimum wage, have premises inspected for hygiene, pay business rates etc. You wouldnt accept it if the pub next door suddenly stopped doing that, undercutting you.

Meh. He used Canada to illustrate an EU -Third country trade deal. There was never any suggestion any two deals would be the same. The EU were clear exactly what a trade deal would look like very shortly after May triggered Article 50 - one based on reciprocity.

Would make it bigger and more wide ranging. Covering things like say f'instance, alignment, agriculture, just in time, labour standards.....

Cant't read the article - but the short answer is its doing both. High wage economies cant compete on price so they compete on higher added value aided by import duties. You could have a system where by the cheapest dirtiest products are sourced from the lowest cost sweatshops you can find. But then you wipe out your domestic industries, drive down wages, drive up unemployment and end up living in something like the environmental disaster that is Chennai.

They're setting out their red lines. Just as they did shortly after May triggered Article 50. Did you think they'd cave? 2017

Plenty of twists and turns to come yet. Still sure we're going to go for WTO?

Should listen to what he said rather than what is reported. He didn't say the UK couldn't have a trade agreement. He simply said the nature of the agreement wouldn't be the same as Canada or Japan because the trade is different - ie lots of perishable foods, just in time manufacturing parts and services which geographically remote countries don't have.

Thats why your posts are so risible. Until today you didn't even know the UK had different terms with Australia. You certainly have never read the documents. Yet you lap it up as 'good thing'. Huzzah Wes! Huzzah! You must have a nose ring, given how much you get led.

Its a delusion Wes. Firstly starting from a blank sheet of paper is easier than piecemeal unpicking of 50 years of integration. Secondly Johnson has said he doesnt want the exiting alignment so there will have to be renegotiation. Thirdly June isnt an artificial deadline and you cant just run negotiations up to 31st December. Why? Well because whatever is decided in negotiations has to be transcribed into guidance for staff in immigration, customs, fisheries, revenue, trading standards and all the software needed for businesses and officials to provide the right paperwork and calculate duties payable needs to be written and then updated. Six months is already incredibly short.

Started in 2008!

The Canada deal took 13 years, the Japan one six. But brave Brits can get everything they want in six months . Battling brave Boris Brits .

Thats always been an election issue though. How do you level up without levelling down? How do you maximise potential and make success in life less dependent on which parents you had and where you went to school.

They used to sell Bronco Mix for colds. Incredible mix of chloroform, alcohol, morphine and menthol. I kid you not.