buctootim

Give me the suppliers name and I'll report it. Its been illegal for 20 years.

In most cases they aren't trained to anywhere near the same standards either. More like van drivers with a first aid certificate.

Missed the point again Nolan. Way to go for consistency. The issue isnt the chlorine, as Badger says the issue is the poor process. When you gut a chicken **** can sometimes get onto the meat. In the EU that chicken is classed as unfit for human consumption. In the US they wash it with some chlorinated water and serve it up to you. The US are insisting not only should the chicken be sold here, but that customers arent even allowed to be told by labelling.

Agree that jars a bit, but it makes sense if you delve a bit more. A better analogy is a garage which has highly rated mechanics with great access to OE parts and will fix any car with any problem for free - but they have limited capacity and they're swamped with customers. They want to be fair to everybody - ie not pick and choose which customers they take, so they operate on a waiting list system. The trouble is that by having to wait weeks or months to get the car fixed in the meantime some problems get worse and the fault becomes terminal. Therefore the average outcome for each car is lower than the main dealer which is expensive, officious and bureaucratic and the people who cant pay dont get their car fixed - but can book you in next day. The NHS is often accused of inefficiency, poor quality etc. Its not, its really not. The problem is that we ask it to do too much on the budget we want to give it. We have only two real choices - spend more or restrict the services offered and spend the money saved on on a smaller number of patients. Somebody I knew died recently. He was 85 and had had three intense periods of treatment for three separate cancers in the past six years. He had almost zero quality of life for those last six years. He would have been better off taking the painkillers offered and going out dancing and cruises. But he insisted he wanted treatment. For what? Probably c£100,000 spent on a man who was over 80 and going to die fairly soon anyway. Meanwhile somewhere a 30 year old with two school age kids was almost certainly on a waiting list whilst her cancer got a little worse.

Would be surreal to see Trump at the cricket

The US has almost nothing to teach us about good healthcare for the general population. Following an American model would be an unmitigated disaster. The US think tank the Commonwealth Institute rates it lowest of 11 healthcare systems out of 11. The NHS comes first despite the UK spending the lowest percentage of GDP on health. Apart from anything else US healthcare is very inefficient, has poor outcomes and is incredibly expensive. Sweden and Norway are much better models would could copy some ideas from. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/chart/2017/health-care-system-performance-rankings

Referendum leaflet. Ten years to sort out. No mention of leaving without a deal. Pretty clear.

Yeah but killing my kids still seems wrong

No-one has mentioned Saintsweb yet?

Fresh orange juice and lemonade is my go to summer "cant drink Im driving"

JRM thinks lying to electorate is part of freedom of speech and the Boris prosecution has a chilling effect on democracy. God forbid anybody should be able to make an informed choice based on facts they can rely on.

He should try that defence in court -"others have been criminal so I should be let off".

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Letter-from-Sir-David-Norgrove-to-Foreign-Secretary.pdf https://fullfact.org/europe/foreign-secretary-and-uk-statistics-authority-350-million-explained/

Haha. Judge MARGOT Coleman sounds a bit foreign dontchathink?

District Judge Margot Coleman said: "I accept that the public offices held by Mr Johnson provide status, but with that status comes influence and authority. "I am satisfied there is sufficient to establish prima facie evidence of an issue to be determined at trial of this aspect." Woot!

Even sooner if you replace the NHS with expensive limited cover health insurance. Now there's a thought....

You can say the same about them accepting remain

Still listening to what you want to believe instead of what the facts tell you. According to the Ashcroft poll only 14% of Tory voters want no deal - that is the path of political suicide. Hunt is being uncharacteristically canny in distancing himself from those leave regardless candidates. The majority of the party and vast majority of the Tory MPs know that is a position they will have to retreat from.

Three things. 1. The data is from a sample of those who voted in the EU elections. That is not the same and not representative of those who would vote in another referendum 2. People were given four choices - three leave and one remain. In a referendum it would be a binary choice - likely between remain and some negotiated deal. Not all of those opting for one of the leave choices would transfer their allegiance to another leave option. 3. Polls have consistently shown remain with a small lead over leave since around four months after the referendum - usually around 54:46% despite neither of the two main parties backing remain. If Labour officially back remain that lead is likely to widen. The question is whether it will get to 60:40, which is about the level needed to definitively settle the argument.

Reading before spouting off is generally useful. That poll is looking at people who voted in the EU election, how they voted in the referendum and who they might vote for in a future general election. Its not complicated.

Try and keep up https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6998562/Government-ties-with-MCB-restored-but-not-for-deputy.html

Interesting read on who voted where and why. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/05/my-euro-election-post-vote-poll-most-tory-switchers-say-they-will-stay-with-their-new-party/

I guess my views are coloured by my ex wife and some of her friends - all primary school teachers. He brought in fact based learning and SATS for younger children which most teachers of the under 8s saw as counter productive and regressive

I think he's competent in a management sense - he gets things done. He's also clearly highly intelligent. The problem with him is that he has a really idiosyncratic collection of views. At DEFRA he's on the money. At education he was more minister for the 19th century than Rees-Mogg.

Don't encourage him by biting.