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You've consistently failed to understand even the basics of EU membership. Yet you think can lecture an exporter to the EU on the merits / demerits of exporting to the EU. Absolutely bizarre mentality.

It isn't just about numbers, but its about numbers too. We shouldn't be poaching trained doctors and nurses from developing countries because we can pay more. We should be training our own.

Who pays for the diesel?

Its not a lie. Approval rates for many types of visa are over 99%

I used to work for the NHS in Public Health trying to find out how people wanted their money spent. Ask them if the NHS should do everything it can to save premature babies born before 24 weeks regardless of cost and over 90% said yes. Ask them if the NHS should do everything it can to save premature babies born before 24 weeks even if 75% are born with a long term disability that will require lifetime healthcare costs of up to £4m the large majority said no. What people say depends on the information you give them.

There was survey a few years ago about attitudes to the EU. At the time most people polled wanted to come out by a factor of about 2:1 and cited things like immigration, interference in British laws, contribution to EU coffers etc. They were then asked to rank in order of importance the issues facing the country - unemployment, pensions, the NHS, education, transport etc. The EU came way down the bottom of the list - sixth or seventh. Thats the paradox - people say they are angry - but when it comes down to it they don't care that much compared to other issues. If the Government actually deliver on what people say they want, lower immigration, at the cost of free access to the single market, then there will be a massive hit to services and industry and inevitably job losses. Who will the electorate blame for the Government delivering what they said they wanted? - yep the Government. Theresa May knows that, which is why the deal with the EU will be a massive fudge with no real impact on immigration. The only thing to change will be that the country will have been through a massive period of uncertainty and currency fluctuation - damaging Britain's reputation as a safe stable place to invest.

Why do you think he got re-elected even though he didn't do it? Why do you think the Tory party made Theresa May the new PM even though it was her responsibility? Doesn't look to me like people care enough to hold them to account.

Oh okay Neil. So this time its the Pompey fans who are not paying and screwing a small business - Portsmouth FC. Plus ca change.

But your point was about being held to account. Im not saying EU migration isnt an issue - but if no-one held them to account for non EU migration why will they when the stakes and losses are higher - loss of access to the single market?

Will they? No-one has held them to account for the 300,000 non EU immigrants - including 100,000 who come as students but don't go home. Why is it suddenly going to be different? At least we get access to the single market in exchange for EU immigration, and despite what every Brexiter wants to believe, EU immigration is generally high skill high pay. The average pay of an EU immigrant is more than the average Brit. Immigration from Pakistan and Bangladesh is far lower skilled and paid.

Exactly. You pocket the cash and make the most of it - or you don't go in the first place. Going and wanting to come home 1 month later is really lame.

No we keep control of those. We only lose control of access to the single market. Its going to be great, having control of the bacterial count regs. Well worth the loss of jobs. Makes you feel proud to be British.

The UK has a veto on foreign and security policy, citizenship, accession of new EU members, taxation, EU finances, justice and home affairs, social security and social protection. Anything else is subject to approval by national ministers and the EU parliament on a majority basis. Yep somethings the UK has a veto on, mostly the serious stuff and some is majority voting, mostly things like rules on winter sown crops to protect wood pigeons. Now you will claim "aah so we dont have control on this particular aspect then, so I win".

So you wont be stalking her posts anymore then?

John B is right. You dont know how the EU works. The EC only propose legislation. It is approved or rejected by the Council and Parliament. The yellow card is simply a warning that a number of countries dislike the legislation and its best not to waste time on it because it wont be approved.

Nope no-one has said that. Dont let that stop the outrage though.

She's right though. You stalk every post she makes and make yourself look like an unstable creep. I'm not sure that's consistent with the forum hardman image (complete with desperate mockney rhyming slang) you try and cultivate.

Nice trophy too. Barclays could learn a thing from them about their hideous manager and player of the month trophies, apparently made from recycled coffee stirrers.

You're still peddling untruths. I and I'd guess nearly all remainers know the EU's problems and limitations. I decided it was better to stay in because the Brexit promises would never materialise. Therefore remaining and trying to reform the EU from inside was going to be a better option than 1. leaving and the massive economic hit that would entail or 2. joining the EEA - all the same responsibilities but no say and no vote. Brexiteers bought into a lie peddled by mostly second rate self serving politicians. The 'have it all' Pollyanna sunlit uplands of independence, low immigration, prosperity and gambolling through cornfields carrying a Union Jack was never going to happen.

This is a typical Brexit post - full of untrue claims about Britain's exceptionalism and why reality doesn't apply to us. Anyone who punctures the illusion with facts is talking Britain down. No we didnt have the largest fishing fleet pre EU, not since about 1900 anyway. What has prompted moves to reform the EU is the refugee crisis. Why should the EU constantly give Britian concessions not given to other members? Cameron didnt get more because the other 26 didnt want to give us more - why should we get something they dont? We wont get a better deal than Norway and Switzerland because to do so would mean everybody would want the a la carte / pick n mix deal and then the thing that everybody wants to be a part of of - the single market - would fall apart and cease to exist. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. Its not just that it wont be given, its that it can't be given. If Britain restricts labour then Poland might want to restrict Nissan imports and France might want to ban the use of English in business in France and the Netherlands want to protect Philips and Greece wants to impose tariffs on German imports until you have 27 countries all following their own agendas and priorities with no single market. We either man up and leave gracefully - and accept the c15% it will knock off our GDP or we join the EEA / stay in the EU and accept the conditions. This constant plea for cake and eat it because we're special is degrading.

A BBQ?

The difference is he didnt try and pass the questions off as his own work - he said they came from elsewhere (although he should have provided the source).

The North Sea used to be the most productive sea in the world, producing 5% of global catch at one time. Britain overfished and drove down stocks to a fraction of what they should be long before we joined the EU. Iceland and Norway managed their waters properly and lo still have good stocks now. We joined a club because we wanted benefits, as did 26 other countries. Now we have voted to leave the club but still want to keep the benefits we like but we dont want to pay for for any of the running costs. Unsurprisingly the other 26 are saying 'no chance'. Brexiteers are behaving like teenagers who cant get what they want. They promised something that couldn't and wouldn't be delivered. No-one ever on this thread has said the EU doent need reform, its just another Brexit strawman.

The DG of the WTO is just another scare-mongerer dontchaknow. What does he know about the WTO anyway? David Davis will show 'em. blah blah blah ad infinitum.

Highly vindictive? - you mean sticking to the agreements every one of the 27 nations, including Britain, signed up to? Spain has bigger and more productive waters than us, that our fleet accesses. The odd thing about Brexiteers is they claim to value independence and self reliance but want the EU to give them everything they ask for yet offer nothing in return. Equitable deals which recognise the needs of both parties. Thats the real basis of trade negotiona Johnny. Not demanding everything and crying foul when it turns out Father Christmas hasnt delivered on the wishlist.