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So we dont import Ukrainian or Polish wheat despite you telling us we did and you knowing the difference between the two (honest). You think we should produce more in the UK - but want to cut the CAP production subsidies that 90% of British farmers rely on to keep solvent. You think food will get cheaper despite the half of our food that is imported becoming more expensive due to the pounds decline. Have you thought about going into politics? You talk some utter ****e. British farmers aren't price competitive without heavy European subsidies and tariffs on non EU imports. If we leave the EU the British government will either have to closely replicate the EU CAP subsidy and tariff schemes, or British agriculture will be all but wiped out.

You cant even read your own references properly. Maize is not the same as wheat oddly enough. As I said Ukrainian wheat isnt imported to the UK. you can argue with the British Flour Milling Industry if you like. Im sure you know better. http://www.nabim.org.uk/statistics/imports-and-exports/ https://cereals.ahdb.org.uk/markets/market-news/2015/september/24/prospects-world-wheat-imports-%E2%80%93-where-could-our-wheat-go-in-201516.aspx

British farmers receive exactly the same level of subsidies as French ones - hill farmers three or four times more. So after Brexit the British farmer's income more than halves but that's okay because their productivity with GM's wonder pesticides and fertiliser products ™ will more than double production to magically make them cheaper than imports from Ukraine or Kenya. And the government saves money - except it will have to pay out exactly the same amounts again as under the CAP. You haven't got a single fact right yet. Every claim you have retreated from. Here's an easy primer for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit-is-a-life-or-death-matter-for-Britains-farmers.html

Okay good. So the prices of oranges lemons pineapples etc are going up due to the pounds fall. So thats 50% which is more expensive. About the other 50% grown in Britain. Currently 50% of farmer's income comes from the CAP subsidies, without which the vast majority of farming in Britain wouldn't be economic. You're saying with GM crops we could double our yields to make up for that massive income drop from loss of CAP. Is that your claim? Nb just fyi we dont generally import wheat from Poland or Ukraine. Britain is a nett exporter of wheat and the little we import comes from France, Germany and Canada. hth.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You endorsed the IEA's report which says "quitting the EU would also make it easier for Britain to buy food from all around the world and bring down our prices more". Now you are saying we shouldn't be importing as much. Which is it?

As I thought. You have no answer.

That came from a conspiro website called State of the Nation. They seriously believe there are two Hilary Clintons appearing at events. I'm embarrassed for you that you posted it up. http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=52625 http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=52621

It is an obvious truth. 50% of our food and livestock feed is already imported. Will the price of that go up or down given the pounds fall? If you want to substitute the remaining 50% which is produced in the UK, what will you do with the redundant farmers and farmland?

Which crops are more profitable GM? Which crops can be grown in the UK more profitably than say Kenya? What will poor Kenyans do when their arable land currently used to provide food for the local population is converted into producing cash crops for export?

I don't think they come full. You have to put it under the tap first.

Interesting interview with him here immediately post referendum. His vision seems to be becoming reality, especially from about 2:12 in.

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We should tape tape every dalliance and make them publicly available on the web. Oh wait...

tbf it has always been one of those shades of grey trials. Most of the facts about what happened weren't in dispute. It all hinged around whether she was aware enough to give consent. The verdict doesnt fundamentally change what people thought of him before and think of him now.

I've belatedly realised there isn't any point in engaging with you. Most other people on this thread are able to think about the issues and discuss. You're like one of those kid's dolls where you pull the string out and it says one of five stock phrases.

Still got the edge on Portsmouth, Hants though http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magazines/life/905W-000-039.html

Is it 'Reader's Wives?'

Trouble for Brexit is having a majority of those who voted leave isn't enough. Brexit needs everybody who voted leave to still want to leave regardless of how severe the economic shock will be, otherwise there is no longer a mandate and are in a minority. It only takes two people in a hundred to change their mind to reverse the vote result. Anyway my point wasnt about the rights and wrongs of Brexit. It was about whether May is really a hardline Brexiteer or a Remainer playing a crafty game.

I genuinely can't work out what May's game plan is. Is she deliberately setting it up so that the only two options are hard Brexit or remain? Can't decide if she is giving Johnson, Fox and Davis total freedom to walk us right up to the precipice knowing that once people get the chance to see what leaving the EU would actually mean in terms of jobs and income they will baulk - or she really means it and wants a 'pure' exit without any messy compromise.

There would be some substituition, but limited. You can't quickly ramp up production of most agricultural produce even if there were demand for it and even if you could find spare suitable land. Apples, pears, cherries etc will take five years to produce. Beef three years. It takes a lot of investment and for a lot of investment you want a lot of certainty, something that is distinctly lacking atm. In any event most people want year round availability and dont want to choose between kale and leathery swedes between October and June. Also most supermarket spend is not on fresh food. Its either factory processed food or other groceries like detergents, coffee and tea, toiletries etc

Either you are a graceless small man, or you are unable to read and follow posts on a football forum. Neither puts you in a good light.

TwoPints correctly and accurately quoted an article Money Marketing. Instead of disputing what Money Marketing had written and citing some other source you told him he was wrong, didn't read the article properly and was a donut. When that was pointed out you continued to insist you were right. You weren't. 'The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is'. Winston Churchill

Lloyds has said it intends to axe a further 3,000 jobs on top of its 2014 redundancy plan in light of the EU referendum result. Its a word for word quote. You're clearly wrong again Johnny. Why don't you have the decency to admit it?

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They might be trying it on - and Tescos might be trying to fake a confrontation. Neither you or I really know if there is a 10% increase, if there is whether it applies across the board or just to a few products and whether those products are made in Britain or in some country where there has been a strong appreciation against sterling. The reality is that regardless of the merits of this particular case, sterling has depreciated. That will in general lead to imports becoming more expensive and since we import more goods than we used to decades ago then the problem is bigger than it used to be. There will be other adverse effects too. A weaker pound creates inflation which leads to the Bank of England raising interest rates which leads to more expensive mortgages and loans. Sure exporters and savers (generally the older age group) will benefit whilst working age people and expanding smaller companies will lose. But exporters of goods are a much smaller part of the economy than the nett losers.