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Probably best to only use gross simplifications on here. Nuance doesnt seem to go down to well.

Inappropriate for sure, but not disrespecting the dead.

First up I want to make clear I dont think Hitler was in any way engaged in some holy war. We do have to be a bit careful about consistency though. Are we saying Hitler couldnt be a Christian because of the things he did? Im sure Muslims would claim the same about IS.

afaik all he did was to lay a Palestinian flag down amongst the memorials and when people started to heckle him he started to shout Palestine. Inappropriate for sure but perhaps he thought there wasn't the same attention given to the fact Israel has killed 300 protestors in the past 6 months. I didnt see any stomping, just his flag being removed.

I didnt watch it. I just used the opportunity to make a cheap jibe at you.

Why are are we disbarring Hitler from being a Christian?

I think we should build a wall and get the Muslims to pay for it. Where was it you lived again?

Jeez. You are on a crusade against voices only you can hear. Black and brown people can be Christian too - we know Christians are sometimes targeted by Islamic extremists - we know For the final time. The majority of victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslims - Shia and moderate Sunnis account for far more victims than Christians do. Its a problem within Islam, not with Islam. No-one is excusing terrorism, apologising for it, denying it.

Yes but they got the essentials sorted out. A stadium which doesn't flood when it rains is a "nice to have".

He didnt say that. He said this: "I get the impression that many lefties view christianity as bad, whilst islam can do no wrong.....80% of all acts of religious discrimination were against Christians. Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world". There isnt a grain of truth in it.

Its not necessary to be racist to start race riots. Just ignorant, lazy and complicit.

Islamic extremism has been condemned repeatedly and consistently on this thread. What you term as 'apologism' is pointing out that its not 'The Muslims' doing the killing but a very specific sect which is of equal or more danger to Muslims than to Christians. There are plenty of knuckle draggers in this country, including on this thread who aren't able to distinguish between paediatrics and paedophilia. You think they are going to distinguish between Ahmadiyya and Wahhabi Islam? Isnt it incumbent on you to make sure what you post is clear and accurate?

Then why do you feel the need to behave like a spam bot?

What is it with pathetic cartoon strawmen on this thread? Something no-one said ever attacked using made up stats. What is it you want? some pogrom against Muslims? start off with a bit of window smashing and book burning to get rid of a few and get the whites in the mood - and then gradually ramp up the body count for ones who wont leave? Its a pity you didnt read the whole story and the link which specifically stated that 80% figure was disputed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587 That link takes you here: "On the internet, the statistic has taken on a life of its own, popping up all over the place, sometimes with an additional detail - that these 100,000 lives are taken by Muslims. The number comes originally from the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in the US state of Massachusetts, which publishes such a figure each year in its Status of Global Mission. Its researchers started by estimating the number of Christians who died as martyrs between 2000 and 2010 - about one million by their reckoning - and divided that number by 10 to get an annual number, 100,000. But how do they reach that figure of one million? When you dig down, you see that the majority died in the civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo. More than four million are estimated to have been killed in that war between 2000 and 2010, and CSGC counts 900,000 of them - or 20% - as martyrs. Over 10 years, that averages out at 90,000 per year. So when you hear that 100,000 Christians are dying for their faith, you need to keep in mind that the vast majority - 90,000 - are people who were killed in DR Congo. This means we can say right away that the internet rumours of Muslims being behind the killing of 100,000 Christian martyrs are nonsense. The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians. In earlier estimates of martyrs, CSGC included killings that occurred in the Rwandan genocide. Again this is puzzling. It was not a conflict about religion - it was a case of Hutus killing Tutsis, and both sides were Christian. "The genocide in Rwanda was based on the systematic killing of an ethnic group in an attempt to completely wipe them out and it had nothing to do with the beliefs or the worship or the people who were killed," says Ian Linden, author of Church and Revolution in Rwanda, and associate professor in the study of religion at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. "The civil wars in the DRC were the consequences of a failed state, disintegrated military force so that militias had almost full power because of the weapons they had. They were indiscriminately killing and raping and plundering and it's very difficult to describe any of that killing as creating martyrdom.

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Its not as simple as a numbers game. It depends far more on what country they come from, their education and their position in society. There is quite a large Iranian population in Brighton - but you'd never know. The Brighton Iranians were the ruling and professional classes in the Shah's government. They are pro Western, wealthy, liberal highly educated and mostly dont wear a head covering. Their beliefs are totally different to what you can expect from an illiterate Afghani villager whose only knowledge of the world is what he hears from the Saudi funded Salafist preacher at the Mosque.

Dont forget the money! We will all be £20,000 better off if we leave!

The devil is everywhere Jamie. Thank God we have you to report on it multiple times daily and save us from complacency Or you could just enjoy life and stop looking for gloom and despair when mostly people in this country have never been safer or more prosperous

The remain lot, the lefties, the Muslims. Guess what? the world isnt divided into contiguous uniform 'lots'. Even within groups inclined the same way individual people have different ideas, opinions and beliefs; act in different ways and may or may not endorse what other people do. Who knew? Life is so confusing huh? so much better to line everything up neatly so Wes can blast them all at the same time with a good old blunderbuss of common sense.

Stupid waste of time imo. As you say, dickhead but not criminal.

Thats good. I just read this on the BBC - seems utterly bizarre to me to stop a game because someone died, no matter who it was. "The Netherlands' friendly against France will be stopped after 14 minutes for a minute's silence to remember Dutch great Johan Cruyff. Former Ajax and Barcelona star Cruyff, who famously wore the number 14 shirt, died of cancer aged 68 on Thursday. The decision to halt Friday's friendly was announced by the Dutch football association (KNVB) following the death of their former captain and coach. Both the Dutch and French teams will wear black armbands in tribute. There will also be a minute's silence before kick-off in memory of the 34 victims of the Brussels bomb attacks in Belgium on Tuesday."

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Whoosh. It shows you that joining IS is to do with having poor achievement, a criminal background, an anti social personality and a history of unIslamic behaviour. Getting paid to drive around in pickup trucks, rape, kill and be top dog - is more exciting and attractive for some people than being bottom of the pile in prison or working minimum wage jobs with no prospects. Dressing it up in Islamic clothing as God's work is just to silence any annoying voices from the conscience.

I'll check it out, thanks.

Thats not my reading of his posts. He wants to tarnish all Muslims because a tiny percentage became terrorists after lapping up an extreme version of Islam, often whilst in prison for very unIslamic crimes like theft and drugs ironically. There have been all kinds of mistakes in past immigration policy - taking too many people from the same conservative rural regions, not requiring language skills or assimilation, giving sanctuary to preachers convicted of terrorism overseas. They have created the conditions whereby perhaps one in 1,500 of this generation have gone off to join IS. 1,499 out of 1,500 haven't and have become dentists, doctors, accountants, shop workers and do the same things as everybody else. What we need is to tweak practice so we eliminate the 1 in 1,500, not the BNP approach which would victimise the innocent and ironically breed the kind of alienation we are trying to stop.