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Agree. Not a unique view either. Even the comments in the Daily Mail were strongly anti Cameron jibes. "The Commons basically lost the plot after that. Some Tory MPS were literally crying with laughter. On the Labour front bench Tom Watson and Angela Eagle looked like they were trying not to smirk. The last part was effective, but the initial comments on the suit were dreadful. The sight of a rich, powerful man in an expensive suit lambasting someone for wearing a cheap one was not attractive. Chances are, Cameron will come to regret it, despite how well it went down in the chamber. It contained the unmistakeable suggestion that when the prime minister meets average Joes in public he is secretly looking down his nose at them. As with the refugee comment a few weeks ago, you felt he'd revealed a glimpse of his true character." http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/02/24/pmqs-verdict-corbyn-lets-cameron-get-away-with-it-as-commons http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461949/PMQs-descends-playground-mum-jibes-David-Cameron-claims-anti-cuts-mother-tell-Jeremy-Corbyn-proper-suit-sing-national-anthem.html#comments

Have they considered winning? It could be a viable option.

Ditto £21pw for a grotty room in Shirley, no food included in 1980.

tbf, of all the posters on this thread - for and and anti - you consistently come across as the most clueless.

What you and I dont understand, and Sour Mash does, is that funding streams like this are all made up. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/projects-creating-jobs-across-england-to-benefit-from-locally-led-funding His next post will no doubt be to say that since this stream is only for £2.9bn and as the EU costs us more than that, it is unfair and a waste.

Better add Thatcher to the list, and Major, and Blair and Brown. So many liars.

you live abroad or in UK Derry?

Best check under your bed

No, its certainty over which we have some control - or uncertainty over which we have less control. Cameron has been very good on this. Very Prime Ministerial for the first time I thought. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35624753

Ditto with Verbal really. With most votes you make an informed choice between parties, policies and candidates you know something about - you know what they're promising to deliver. With this one you can vote to stay in the EU based on 40 years experience - or you can vote to leave with no idea what that might mean for the UK. Its like ditching your wife / girlfriend / job / house for a new one promised to you by Michael Gove that he says will be better. Obviously Gove himself hasn't seen the new wife / girlfriend / job / house yet either - but he's sure its going to be great. Convinced?

http://www.nhsconfed.org/~/media/Confederation/Files/public%20access/Letter%20from%20EU%20Commission%20to%20Wollaston%20on%20TTIP.pdf http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_152999.2%20Services.pdf http://www.nhsconfed.org/regions-and-eu/nhs-european-office/influencing-eu-policy/transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership

Became an MEP at 28. 17 years on the supposed gravy train he supposedly despises. Can you smell it yet?

How many seats do they have on the Civil Service?

Except it didnt. From your own link " Commission officials have played down the measure as a temporary move after a steep slide in milk prices triggered a 33 per cent decline in butter exports last year. "We are not anticipating a return to the old days of butter mountains and milk lakes. This is a temporary crisis situation on the market," said a Commission spokesman. I amused you think the 1773 Inclosures Act is the factor driving preservation of hedgerows and not environmental stewardship payments or the 1997 regulations. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cap-greening-criteria-announced

Which is why he wants us to stay in. doh

Those are the two examples of countries who dont want to be in the EU but want to trade - they have all the obligations but no vote. Real life examples which set a precedent. You can pretend that Britain is specially unique and powerful to overcome 27 other countries, but frankly it all seems a bit half cock hit and hope for me. I'll stick with what we've got unless a far more convincing case is made. Far.

Of course. We'll get the Norway and Switzerland deal - free trade and EU standards, adopt free movement of labour - but you dont get a vote.

You seem to have missed the second comment under that article. Also I'd trust the EU to negotiate a better deal for average citizens over multi nationals more than I would a Conservative government "First point is based on what can best be described as a misunderstanding, the NHS (along with other Public Services) has been expicitly exclude from TTIP (see http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_152999.2%20Services.pdf and http://www.nhsconfed.org/regions-and-eu/nhs-european-office/influencing-eu-policy/transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership) so I am discouting the rest of the of what is a poorly researched article."

As you say Wes, those problems were 35 years ago. The CAPs principal purpose is to make sure the continent can feed itself - its a question of food security just as we have energy security. You cant solely rely on fluctuating global markets to feed a country. If Britain weren't in the EU we would have a similar programme supporting farmers here. The CAP has secondary benefits - environmental and food diversity. Hedgerows and wildlife margins around fields stop Europe looking like Iowa's prairies. It also means protection of geographic foods and why you have hundreds of cheeses, for example, in Europe rather than just Monterey Jack and fake cheddar.

89% Bernie 87% Jill Stein (Who she? a green apparently) 84% Clinton 77% Bloomberg 44% Cruz

Whats wrong with the Common Agricultural Policy?

Which posts have said that?

Thats £288bn split between 27 countries, only 11% of their total. We will get the same deal Norway and Switzerland got deal - all of the same rights and responsibilities but without the vote. We wont get a better deal because when it comes down to it the EU can say 'take it or leave it'. For all the posturing we wont be able to leave it because its 50% of our trade and we have no plan B.

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The trouble is no-one knows what will happen if we leave. We won't find out the full consequences until 10-20 years afterwards. Half of Britain's trade is with the EU. A lot of investment here - such as the Japanese car plants - was predicated on access to the EU market. Economically the most upside I can see is that we escape relatively unscathed - but the downside could be really, really serious. As Cameron said, its "a leap into the dark". I'd want a little more than a hope and a prayer before jumping.