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Okay. You're one of those people who knows more than the air crash investigators. In that case there is nothing else to say.

Not exactly, one engine caught on the coral, thats what caused the cartwheel. You should watch this video. http://www.ethiotube.net/video/1925/The-Hijack-and-Crash-of-Ethiopian-Flight-961

Given there is no wreckage landing the plane intact makes no less sense than keeping it flying it for seven hours but then just letting it fall out of the sky.

Exactly - and that one partially broke up only because of the coral reefs immediately below the sea surface.

Ive been surprised by how calm the sea is in the area around where they are now searching. Landing and sinking intact is feasible imo. That begs the question of why no life rafts though, was everyone dead?

Some people are just selfish / narcissistic. My ex has always been the kind of person who sees nothing wrong with asking without contributing. We had a large three bed house which was plenty big enough for us and two kids but she decided she wanted a a big pile in the country and asked her dad for £90,000. Her dad is retired, lives in a modest house and has reasonable savings because his wife recently died, but also has an adult aspergers son living at home to take care of. Giving her the cash would had left him seriously short, but she persisted and he agreed.

Afraid for their jobs. You cant' seriously be that thick?

Its really not tricky Wes. 1. Cortese spent more money than we had last season leaving a £27m hole in the accounts. 2. That money needs to be recouped from this year's income, meaning there is £27m less than there would otherwise have been, regardless of what KL does.

Er no. Thats you inferring lots of stuff, and making some up for good measure. A typical Wes post.

I think its spending money before you've earned it, compromising tomorrow for today. Whats worse it largely spunked money that should have been available for transfers this summer on two players who have contributed little.

They're the appropriate people to sack him.

I think what this whole episode has shown up more than anything else is how hopelessly out of date the location technology and data recording / voice recording is on planes. It would be easily technically possible and cheap to have a continuously updated gps location and a record of all data and voice retained for every flight.

As far as i know its just a 1 per second simple click and you find it by triangulation.

The frequency you want to search for can be readily changed. This vessel has the capability - and its just a sailboat run by a charity on small budget. http://www.marineconservationresearch.co.uk/rv-song-of-the-whale/scientific-equipment/

The equipment the Chinese are using in footage appears to be one of these http://www.benthos.com/index.php/product/locators/dpl-275-locator -designed to be hand held by divers in shallow water, max usable depth 180m / 600 feet. Its hard to see how what they heard could be the plane. Hydrophones have been around since the 1930s. Its very odd a ship of the type and size of the Chinese ship doesnt have much more powerful technology built in.

Without wanting to be negative - that tweet doesnt sound good to me.

Is there anything you enjoy more than ****ing and whinging and finding fault without offering any alternate ideas or anything constructive? If Kenya is too corrupt and dysfunctional to work in then your premise of sending in the cavalry to the real basket cases falls immediately. I've given up on you, bye.

Its not a poor example because it can be used a beacon of whats possible - an incentive to others to change. There no point in trying to set up usual development levers - schools, farms, businesses, infrastructure etc in areas where the government are excessively corrupt and don't have secure hold over the country. Your approach is simplistic - 'which countries have the greatest need?'. The proper approach is 'which countries have great need and in which we can do something meaningful and lasting'.

Stop trolling Bazza. Why do you have to revert to ****tishness? You aren't stupid but you behave stupidly.

It is very different. Most people in Northern Ireland were law abiding, the thugs were a minority and the majority were never in danger of being massacred en masse or starving to to death - so you're right - central Africa is much more difficult to resolve.

Had you said "there is chance we could solve it if we targeted a tiny section of central Africa and worked intensively on that for 50 years putting in billions of pounds and hundreds of British soldiers lives" I might have agreed with you. After all thats what it took in Northern Ireland. Very occasionally there situations where a government of less corrupt, less repressive arseholes need to propped up short term against military attempts from another group to take over. Sierra Leone about 10 years ago was a good example. Other than that I' rather spend time and money on countries like Kenya, which have a plan and a future.

If you are going to send peacekeeping troops in there has to be a goal - like establishing a strong democratic government that can take things on once the peacekeepers have gone. Reality is that central Africa is riven with with ethnic and religious conflict. Their social development is still at the 'kill the others' level. This is just the latest conflict http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26817382. In that situation wasting British lives for a fight which will just flare up again when the soldiers have left is worse than doing nothing.

They are debts from a previous year which will need to be settled out of this years income. Exactly the kind of behaviour Cortese derided when he started. The fact that fortunately the tv income has gone up and will bail us out is irrelevant.

A few days ago I thought most posters had learned to ignore the **** and we started getting a few interesting threads - but its back to normal tonight.

We paid £2.5 million for him Minty and nothing for Boruc. Obviously that isnt his fault but you cant expect people to not make the equation.