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9/10 for hyperbole but only 2/10 for comprehension. The point is all acceptance or rejection of different forms of sexuality is cultural. If you are going to lobby for one group to be in the accepted groovy gang, surely its rank hypocrisiy to not include the others - otherwise you applying a value judgement to the things you dont like - just like the football fans you want to demonise.

Did actually happen to me a couple of times in Hove with young kids who needed to go to the toilet 'right now'. There were always saddos in the cubicles and hanging around outside. My son hated going in there, it scared him.

So you think people are prejudiced when they are against things you like, but when they like things you don't they're disgusting perverts?

Because you wrote this: "a prejudiced culture does inhibit a person from feeling comfortable about their sexuality, even on a private level". Are you not predjudiced about paedophilia? In many societies it is culturally normal to marry immediately after puberty, around 11? surely you should be advocating for a change in view here too? Or is it only when your interests are 'threatened' you post? How do feel about men having sex in public toilets or public parks? Is it a good thing, despite kids being around and scared? Please tell us, which cultures are good and which are bad.

Exactly. Its the tribal confrontational nature which makes the atmosphere. Everything and anything gets picked on - fat, slow, ginger, female linos etc etc. If Toon Saint cant cope with football chants and songs he needs to give Rugby a wide berth too - 'Bestiality is best', 'Charlotte the Harlot lay dying', 'Eskimo Nell'..... Most people dont want the world sanitised into boring sterility, homogenous, bland carp.

You made the problem. Its not the same thing

That assumes gay sportsmen are evenly spread throughout the sports when clearly they aren't. Good luck finding a hetero Ice Dance skater. If I was gay and very sporty as a kid I'd avoid team games like football exactly because they tend to be a bit neandrathal - not specifically about gay issues but higher cognitive processes generally. Athletics, swimming etc are less so. This NFL player makes the argument here. http://www.towleroad.com/2012/12/brendon-ayanbadejo-only-3-of-nfl-is-gay.html

Thats why they're called disabled or handicapped - because not being able to see is a handicap.

People try and tune in to the prevailing culture fit in where ever they go. Im far better dressed, better spoken, and talk about the arts far more at work than I ever do at home. Work in HIV treatment and care as I have done on the past and the prevailing culture is very different again.

More to the point, if they chanted back "Yes, he knows I'm safe with you" instead of complaining it would make a better atmosphere all round and promote more change.

What would they chant at them? "Does your boyfriend know you're here?"

Actually its utterly different. In one case half the population are denied access to basic freedoms by law. In the other case a minority have full legal rights to everything the majority have. Hyperbole never wins an argument.

Adhere to what? Of course there are gay players.

Apparently you are struggling with the difference between legality and culture. There are many good dictionaries available. Perhaps the culture of the minority should also be changed? Cottaging in public toilets, cruising in public parks and woods, gay saunas etc? Is that culture, much of which is also illegal and also offensive to the majority, okay because its a minority so therefore protected?

No because the prevailing culture will always be the culture of the majority. There is a difference between being tolerant of a minority group and telling the majority group what they can and cant talk about in case somebody else is made to feel outside the group. Ive no doubt I'd feel like a fish out of water at a fundamentalist religious group meeting so I dont go. Ive got a classic car but I dont go to classic car rallys because in the main they seem to be populated by types I have nothing in common with. In life you chose the friends and surroundings that suit you. You don't demand everyone else changes to accommodate you.

Rainbow bootlaces is a pointless empty gesture, crap campaign. Gay players not coming out is more due to wishing to be part of the prevailing macho culture than anything to do with fans. Its just the same as in the army.

Adkins would be getting more out of these players than MP is imo

Good team choice then

Thats a very attacking team for an away match.Should break the goal drought, for good or ill.

Can you tell me where to skip to the bit where your posts actually have something say which is remotely interesting / amusing? So far it been 6 months of condescension, which some people who are sharp or funny can get away with if they post with sparkling wit or great insight. You're not in that group.

I'd do it for half that

How about now? also in 2013

I know somebody who might be prepared to humiliate you in a good cause

Yeah but c98.73% of people would just do it quietly and donate the money they saved on booze to charity. Not ask for sponsorship

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