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My view is that there probably wasn't much difference in the overall quality of our respective squads. Certainly not of a significance that's worth arguing the toss about on an internet football forum anyway.... (And, in anticipation of the next line of enquiry in this interogation... no, I haven't based my view on any stats or science, just my gut feel / hunch, which could of course be wrong under scrutiny.... but I'm fine with being wrong... you should try it some time.... )

Oh, go on then.... I'll relent on this occassion...

Farmer Saint and MLG... never before seen in the same room together... make of that what you will.... P.s. I didn't realise selective quoting from t'internet was back in fashion.... I guess two can play at that game....

I wholeheartedly agree with Fabrice!

Still awaiting rescue the last I heard...

If Man City are in breach of the rules then how come we don't win by default? A case of the 'big boys' pulling the strings....? And, not only do they flout the rules, but they then get to broadcast the game exclusively on their subscription channel. I hope we've kicked up a stink rather than meekly agreeing to this bias... And, talking of bias, why isn't it being hosted at a neutral venue anyway...?

At least no beavers were harmed, thankfully.

I disagree, but that's fine

Conflation my dear Watson.... I'm 'knocking' those that over-egg the signifcance of the unbeaten run not the unbeaten run itself. I'll repeat for the hard of understanding... it was a good thing, not a bad thing. We both agree that it was "pretty good". The only difference is that some people think it was more praiseworthy than others. Probably more signficant things in the world to disagree on... p.s. just because someone isn't overwhelmed by something doesn't mean they're underwhelmed... that's the black and white world a certain other poster lives in... I mostly live on Planet Ambivalence...

Appreciate I'm in danger of going into 'dog with a bone' MLG mode here... but what advantage did the unbeaten run give us over our promotion rivals who didn't have such a run? As above, I'm not knocking it... it was a good thing, not a bad thing... but what I don't get is those that seem to think it was more than a "statistical quirk" (to borrow WG's way of putting it)

Count me in if we're now (somewhat conveniently for the sake of the argument) labelling it as "a pretty good achievement"... that's a bit of a downgrade on those that have previously held it up as some kind of epiphanistic achievement (the club's social media team at the time, for starters). The bottom line is that we didn't gain any ground on our promotion rivals as a result of it. But, yes, I'll go with "pretty good", on that we can agree

It is possible to hold multiple feelings and opinions at the same time.... they aren't mutually exclusive... for example: - Praise Martin for having a successful season at Championship level - Be critical of some aspects of that season, despite the success - Having a superb day out at Wembley - Predict pre-season that we're likely to go straight back down again - Not foresee that we would go back down without a fight - Criticise Martin for his stubborness and/or inability to adapt to the challenges of the Premier League - Dislike a manager's character, despite getting us promoted and giving us a memorable day at Wembley In other words, there's nothing "bizarre" or contradictory about disliking Martin and enjoying last season...

I suspect he was talking in comparison to the teams around us that didn't go on a miracle unbeaten run... but you probably knew that....

Every time the 'Defend Martin no matter what' brigade trot out the "yeah, but the unbeaten run, innit" shibboleth a small furry mammal cops it in the Trousers household

House!

Pritti Patel's voice. Stop dropping your Gs, FFS.

I heard he used to make his own gin. Does Still still distill?

Every appointment has a risk element to be fair. Some are riskier than others, granted.

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base

If Rusk goes ultra safe again I fear for the safety of my cat... Just go for it FFS...

If I remember correctly, that was more to do with the way the outgoing manager was treated rather than a critique of the incoming manager (?)

I may have missed it but I'm not seeing any "animosity" towards Still. I've seen people who aren't convinced he's the best option, but it's understandable and reasonable to be uncertain about any managerial appointment, and Still isn't immune to that.

The word "almost" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, given both those teams have got double our points total (thereabouts)....