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Average ticket price paid for the 20k that have been turning up is probably alot lower than £20. All season ticket holders (Adult/kid/Young Adult/OAP's) price per game is much lower than £20 and then add all the matchday concessions(kids/young adults/OAP's) all have tickets below £20.
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So you are saying it is drivel to wait to hear all the evidence before passing comment? I hope you never get asked to do jury duty! Ask yourself these questions... 1) What is the problem the club has with the Echo? 2) What punishment has the Echo got? 3) Is the punishment proportionate to the discretion? 4) Is it a discretion? 5) Is the Echo guilty or innocent? There is no way you can answer any of those questions fully with the amount of information available to you.
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What evidence do you have Cortese "behaved inappropriately"? So far only a brief statement by the Echo = one side of the story and far from a full version at that You don't know what the sanctions are that the Echo has, nor do you know what the club are unhappy about.
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Are you not going to wait to hear both sides of the story before passing comment then?
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Musings without paragraphs are hard to read and hurt my eyes
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Or could be scouting for the match against Swindon in January.
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All hypothetical of course
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If hypothetically this is the reason... The club and Echo came to a verbal/written agreement that it would wait until after the press conference to run the story in the region with pictures. The Echo then decide to break the agreement and run the story early because other media did nationally. No other media entered or broke the agreement about pictures in the local media. All other media just ran a small story with few details. Breaking an agreement such as this is a betrayal of trust between parties in a working relationship. Without trust in each other I see no reason why it is wrong to stop behind scene press access to the Echo to goings on at St Mary's. If for example it was a case of the Echo running a story the club didn't like and the club banned them then I agree you would have a point and is wrong to stop the press. However if this whole argument came about because or a broken verbal/written agreement that both parties at the time were happy with only for on side to break it then I see nothing wrong with the club acting as it "supposedly" has. The club in that case cannot have an ongoing relationship with a newspaper it cannot trust to keep its word. So in that case why should it let them onto its private property at St Mary's or Staplewood or feed them stories?
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??? I don't know what gave you that idea. I have a very high opinion of Cortese. From all the evidence so far, Cortese/Liebherr have been the best thing to ever happen to Saints. I do however feel this "incident" which none of us know much about is possibly the straw that broke the camels back and follows a number of disagreements. I doubt the decision to impose any sanctions would have been taken lightly and I very much doubt they will be lifted soon after they started unless something changes. Otherwise there is no point putting them in place.
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You can only call it a dangerous precedent if you know the reason for the ban. You don't know the reason.
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I say it is the Echo that will need to grovel in order to get this sorted quickly because it is the Echo and not the club that has had "sanctions" of sorts against it. The Echo hasn't made any sanctions against the club so why would the club need to bargain with the Echo? The club could let any sanction it has against the Echo run on indefinitely if it wished and cause no harm to it. The Echo on the other hand may not have the time and may need access to the club to keep afloat in a very competitive media jungle in the modern world. Compare the dominance the Echo had on Saints stories in the 1970's and 1980's to today and you will see the Echo is just one of many sources fans can get their fix of Saints content.
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Again you don't know why the Echo was banned and why the BBC and Sky weren't. For all you know the Echo did something different or went against an agreement it agreed with the club. None of us know. None of us can pass valid comment or judgement until both sides "stories" are out in public.
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I can't say I remember saying it was clear in my mind Cortese is right. What I will say is if I was "forced" to take the side of either party like many on here have I certainly would back Mr Cortese. He has been a key figure in saving the club we all support from going out of business, is well respected in the financial world, compared to the Echo which has the sole aim of getting a story and selling papers. However... I'm going to remain on the fence until we here hear both sides like any reasonable person should. My pity goes to the defendant if any posters on here get called for jury duty and don't listen to all the evidence.
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What I said in that post is perfectly compatible with what I said earlier. The Echo needs Saints far more than Saints need the Echo. No reason for Saints to be the ones to resolve the problem they can carry on just fine without the Echo. The Echo however may need to patch things up to improve or maintain its circulation with Saints stories and if the club isn't going to break then the Echo will have to.
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Should Pardew rest players in JPT game ahead of Leeds?
Matthew Le God replied to trousers's topic in The Saints
As close as you will get probably. http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/Sport/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=Sport&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=Sport&itemid=NOED14%20Dec%202009%2011%3A37%3A42%3A943 Norwich have so far in this comp rested as many 1st team players as the rules allow. -
You have heard one side of the argument and have made a judgement. You don't know what the "crime" is, exactly the ins and outs of what the punishment is or if the Echo is guilty or innocent. For all you know the club may have good reason to put restrictions on the Echo. Until you know both sides to the argument and the crime and sentence you can't logically give a valid opinion if the club is in the right or wrong. What you have done is the equivalent of... ...hearing from a defendant that a judge gave him a 15 year sentence. You call it harsh. Yet he hasn't told you the crime so you can't make a valid decision if the sentence is harsh or not. Nor do you know exactly what the punishment is. Nor if he is innocent or guilty. All you have heard from is the accused and you made judgements on the club without knowing anywhere near the full story. No one in this thread has heard both sides and until that point everyone on this forum should be on the fence.
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No need to get aggressive towards him, I had already told him. Alot of Saints fans may have thought the Norwich game was over two legs because the stadium announcer at St Mary's on Saturday kept saying it was two legs. You would think he would know but clearly didn't and many would have been left with the impression it was over two legs. After being told that by a member of Saints staff why would they doubt it or check?
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No there isn't.
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Should Pardew rest players in JPT game ahead of Leeds?
Matthew Le God replied to trousers's topic in The Saints
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You don't know the punishment or the crime. Any poll based only on what the Echo has said is null and void as is just one biased view of events. You need to hear both sides before a balanced view can be decided upon as to which way to vote in a poll.
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He raised an attempt to belittle what I do in my spare time(not my profession) that had nothing to with the topic. The fact I research for a computer game is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. It is a childish way to converse by dragging a debate down to petty insults. It doesn't make me self important in the slightest, you suggest I should insult him back which is laughable and like for like. I'm willing to listen and take on board a counter argument if he made one. What he said was irrelevant and an attempt to belittle me, to tell someone to grow up after that I feel is justified.
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You have no idea what the ban is or why the Echo got a ban. You have only heard one side of the story. Yet you are passing comment. What you are doing is the equivalent of passing comment on the judge giving a sentence when you don't know the crime? If you don't know the crime how do you know if the punishment is harsh or deserved?
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How have you heard both sides? The Echo did an editorial piece and the club has said nothing. You have only heard one side so far!
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The OS, the BBC, ITV, local radio online, Sky Sports News on freeview and hundreds of websites all provide what the Echo does to most of the population in Southampton or anywhere else in the UK or World for free. Interviews with the players and manager are all available on Saints player videos regulary throughout the season. This isn't the 1970's or 1980's anymore. Anyone that says only the Echo can provide these services is stuck in a time warp. The majority of the population has access to these media outlets either at home/work/school/uni/internet cafe. As for you trying to insult me researching for a computer game don't be so petty and learn to debate like an adult.