Matthew Le God

English Premier League side Southampton have launched a bid to buy Celtic's Fraser Forster, but their £7.5m valuation of the goalkeeper is not enough for the Scottish champions who value him at £9m. (Scottish Sun: print edition)

So that isn't "at the moment" then. Lovren won't leave if we don't get an acceptable bid and so far we haven't. If/when he does leave do you honestly believe we won't sign a replacement?

You say "at the moment", but Saints haven't sold Lovren or accepted a bid for him and he is still a Saints player. So I'd prefer Lovren and Fonte over Caulker and Ferdinand.

They are on a XXXXXL shirt... TractorSaint @TractorSaint · Jul 19 My word. Usually an xxl but the #saintsfc shirt is a 5xl!! Is this in preparation for @Veho bringing out a techie diet pill?!

Utter nonsense, I've never said that. You've made it up.

Exactly, but only if the club recruits their replacements well and invests the money back into the team. Heisenberg >>> Glasgow_Saint

Posting pictures of commissioned stadium design and training ground updates is not in itself evidence of me being "convinced" we could challenge for the Champions League. You are jumping to the conclusions you want there to be from that. As I said before... twisting, taking out of context and exaggerating.

When you claim I said things like this it hard to have a discussion with you. Like with Batman you are twisting, taking out of context and exgarerating what I've previously said and seemingly convinced yourselves I actually said it like you now claim.

Did I? I don't remember being "convinced", I think you are twisting my words somewhat out of context.

Its a combination of factors... a big pay rise, playing for one of the biggest clubs in World football and Champions League football. Really not sure why you keep using it time after time as a stick to beat Saints with.

Crafty edit Mr Bewildered!

Sinisa Mihajlovic is their manager.

Its not complicated, we had a number of players good enough for the clubs that came above us in the table last season and the players want the larger wages on offer and better chance of Champions League football. Saints don't want unhappy players at the club and have negotiated some large transfer fees for them.

Then why are you the top poster with 171 posts in it which are largely moaning about the club rather than rumours?

I'm lost as to the relevance of that in the context of what I said. That image was publicly revealed after Markus Liebherr died and may even have been commissioned after he died. The training ground plans certainly were significantly upgraded in scale and size after he died.

So if Markus was still alive and Cortese was still at the club, do you honestly think if Man Utd and Liverpool came in for our players with £30m/£25m/£20m offers and offering them £100k p/w wages we'd keep them? Saints can't offer players the wages and level of football they'd get at some of the biggest clubs in world football.

Saints got £76.9m of TV money in 2013/14, not £90m.

The figures in that article are a nonsense and its by some random blogger. Take Norwich City for example. It says their wages were... 2012/13 - £75m When Norwich's accounts actually show they were £50.8m, £75m is actually their turnover in 2012/13. The article has numerous errors like that throughout it and isn't in the slightest bit reliable. In any case clubs haven't even revealed accounts for 2013/14 season yet, so where on earth are those figures from?

No, because their squad didn't have talent remotely close to what we had last season.

I want to see him leaping from a stationary position backwards onto a mantlepiece.

Putting our stadium debate fights in the (distant) past, I like CB Fry.

I've seen this argument used by a number of people, its been explained a number of times to them why it doesn't stand upas an argument but it keeps coming back. Saints last season had a good number of players good enough for Champions League challenging clubs, but not enough of these players to challenge for it themselves... hence why we came 8th! Because we didn't have the squad depth required and at times had to use the likes of Gazzaniga, Yoshida, Fox etc etc when our first XI wasn't fully available.

You can list all the clubs in world football that "aren't selling clubs" on the fingers of one hand. Even Man Utd and Liverpool lose players when Real Madrid and Barcelona come calling.

What do you think the club should have done exactly?

If you were offered £100k p/w salary and Champions League football at one of the biggest clubs in world football would you stay at Saints? Williams, Krueger... whoever.... it makes no difference. Once bids of that size we've had come in we weren't going to keep them.