tisspahars

My take (for what that's worth) is that the market has not just a more logical stance than some of us fans but more importantly a dispassionate one. We have some much emotion invested in it that it is difficult for some to see that fans of other clubs are feeling exactly the same as the majority on here. The Stoke forum theme is "We somehow escaped with a 0-0, but this was a must win, Lambert is clueless, we are down"....West Ham's is "I've been saying Gold and Sullivan would be the death of us and here we are shipping 4 at Swansea in a six pointer and now with literally no defence left. We are down".....Palace fans "No chance of anything in our next few games and by the time Zaha is back we'll be adrift - we are down"....even fans who are pleased with their team like Huddersfield still think "you just know the long season will catch up with us and the likes of Stoke and Southampton will nick a couple of wins and we'll go down". The point is "we" can't ALL be right - most of the fans currently thinking they are doomed (with the exception of West Brom) are quite likely to be wrong and that includes ours.

WEEKLY UPDATE - Forum desperately downbeat after the Stoke game - "We are down" certainly the commonest phrase seen in the post match chat. The market, whilst shortening us in to 7/2 to go down (close to the shortest we have been) still sees us as considerably more likely to stay up than go down.

POST BURNLEY UPDATE - Forum remains pretty downbeat, status quo maintained in the market with Saints 9/2 to go down. Interestingly (to me at least) looking at the prices just before Gabbigol popped up suggests we would have still been at least 3/1 to go down if we had lost whereas on here, a loss but no managerial sacking would have left a pretty high percentage completely resigned to relegation imo.

Ticket details have just gone up - two questions...a) Is an allocation of 3,000 not tiny in a stadium that size? b) What are the chances of it selling out before getting to official members? Thanks in advance....

Just answer the question.....

I'll make it simple for you - would you like to reconsider what you wrote or do you still think we are ****ed if we draw at Burnley and beat Stoke?

Honestly, do some of you lot think for even a second before you post some of this nonsense? Let's say we draw at Burnley and beat Stoke - we'll be out of the bottom 3 (possibly by several places and a couple of points with a vastly superior GD to boot), we'll have lost once (to Liverpool) in ten games and have three hugely winnable games up next - and yet according to you we'd be "****ed". Remarkable.

Are you dim enough to just read and comment on the first few words of a post lasting just two sentences?

And now 5/1.....

WEEKLY UPDATE - Forum (perhaps unsurprisingly given that 2nd half performance) back to doom and gloom with plenty reverting to relegation being an inevitablilty. The market (again perhaps unsurprisingly) takes a more balanced view and while after a nightmare weekend of results our price to be relegated has contracted, it is still as big as 9/2.

No we won't.

Relegation price drifting further now the market has taken in all the weekend action, now 15/2.

POST WEST BROM UPDATE - Forum a lot happier (except the bit about keeping the manager), Betfair relegation price out to 13/2.

You can lay at us at 1/2 on Betfair at HT. Not saying you SHOULD, just that if we do end up drawing or losing this place will be crammed with people claiming it was absolutely inevitable.....

This must get five more wins stuff is just nonsense - 2 wins, 8 draws, 3 defeats and we'd stay up imo.

The fact he's doing the presser this afternoon suggests he ain't going anywhere.....

POST BRIGHTON UPDATE........Forum split between those who think if MP goes we could still pull off a "miracle" and those who think it's just too late even if it happens. Betfair relegation price into 4/1.

You lot really need to discover Betfair where you could currently get half as much again.

Betfair.....

PRE BRIGHTON MATCH UPDATE - Seeing as Promes now isn't coming (and nor is anyone else presumably) and that a good chunk of the forum thinks an inevitable failure to win tonight in a poisonous atmosphere will absolutely guarantee relegation.....we can still be backed at bigger than 5/1 to go down.

Given that if we go the extra few £M there is a release clause and that personal terms are already agreed and the window doesn't close till 11......is it crazy talk to suggest tonight's result could be a factor?

WEEKLY UPDATE: Forum slightly more upbeat, but still with major reservations.... Betfair Price - Remains steady at 11/2.

WEEKLY UPDATE........Forum even more unanimous that we have reached the point of no return and nothing can save us... Relegation odds on Betfair drift from 5/1 to 11/2.

Which part of "yes we are obviously in a scrap" passed you by?

.....but if you are dim enough to think we are now down and nothing can save us you can get upwards of 5/1 for your money on Betfair. Before the replies come in, yes we are obviously in a scrap, i'm merely pointing out the sheer nonsense of some of the knee jerk reactions at FT.