Micky

It's a key game - but it wont shape the rest of our season. We could loose but when your capable of going to places like Reading, Preston and Sheffield and getting points then nothing is going to be decided on one game. Personally I think we will beat Forest - but I don't think that will have an overbearing effect on the rest of the season. What happens in January just might though.

If you honestly believe that Phil then I think that you probably did have the one over the eight...!!! Mind you - if thats true then we really are in deeeep poooooh....!

Precisely - glad to see somebody has stayed on the original topic and inference. Not quite sure what the muppet is on to be honest. Most on here appear to disagree with his opening gambit and since then he has dug deeper and deeper holes with total contradictory posts. I have no idea where he claims any of his coaching knowledge from - but I personally would not wish to have him anywhere near an under 7's team let alone professing to know anything about professional coaching. Go back to post one of this thread - total bollux. Any chance of starting again now - but keeping it brief....!!!

Toothless, placid & dire - not my words. Just some of the descriptives used by MLT about our display and situation during his summing up on Sky. I would think that he might have been a little reserved as well - so I wonder what he really thought...???

Errrr no...!!! Their keeper could have bought his deck chair..... no joke.

We are woooooofulllllll in the last 3rd.....

Just hope that it doesnt get any worse now, the lads dont deserve a thrashing....

Time for bed said Zebedeeeeeeeeee......

Seconded - working damn well here now....

How many of you would take 2 - 0 now...????

Keep the faith lads - 45 minutes to go - next goal is the one that is going to dictate how this game goes methinks.... Thats assuming that there is a 'next goal' of course...!!!

Good spot actually.... I didnt realise he was playing...!!!

Your assumption is much much better than reality I'm afraid...!

Get three back and we can get three....

Probably not the best of starts...

Shyttttteeeee

Nice move...

many thanks for the links guys - struggling with a shytty hotel link - but somethings better than naf all..!!! Yikes they nearly scored after 40 seconds...!!!!

Just logged on from Hotel in Germany - anybody got a radio link lads...???

That would be the same Leigh Roose who: "Roose was awarded his first international cap for Wales against Ireland on 24th February, 1900. During the game Ireland launched an attack down the right wing through Harry O'Reilly. Roose sprinted from his goalmouth and deliberately barged the Irishman into touch. Roose hit O'Reilly so hard that he was knocked unconscious. According to the rules of the time, no free-kick was awarded. As Rose later pointed out: "If a forward has to be met and charge down, do not hesitate to charge with all your might." I think that you will find that coaching methods have moved on since the turn of the century, therefore probably not the best expert witness testiment that you could of quoted. Your monologue in reply to SW is so contradictory in terms of actually explaining lots of differing basic coaching techniques and then saying that they do nothing to enhance the players ability or reflexes, that it's really not worth replying to. (Lunch break - really don't have the time (or inclination)).

Personally I don't think that anything you have written disproves any of my theorys at all. We could debate all night long - but it is patently obvious that we are poles apart in terms of opinion. Perhaps instead of reading some of the ghost written Biographys, you might try some coaching manuals instead and see what drills are taught and why. I maintain though that, if you go back to your original post, there is no way that you can claim that the teams coaching set up is poor and then point to one of the players good form as proof of that. Total contradiction of arguments in the same sentence.

Agreed - but no matter how well KD is playing at present - to put him in that company is somewhat flattering. I doubt that Kelvin himself would expect to be spoken about as such. Yes touted for England, yes playing well, but pure talent or coached skill - then I think it is more likely down to the latter.

I hate to say it, and I'm not doing so just to be argumentative - all of those situations that you say cannot be coached - errrr can, and are. Keepers spend hours of coaching on one on ones, angles, positioning and reflex saves as well as normal goalkeeping skills. How many times do you see a keep act as sweeper - because he has been coached to take a good starting position - even when the ball is not even in his half of the field. How many times do you see goalkeepers being coached with multi-ball practices - to build up their reflexes and awareness of second ball situations. Why are keepers the only players that will make extra 'markers' on the field - because they have been coached to, in order to get thier angles and distances right. Kelvin Davis is a product of the same coaching set up that you say is not good enough, therefore surely the coaching set up should be given the praise for his form - not being doubted.

Nice points - well researched - but the bottom line remains that all of those professional sportsmen that you have cited were all coached...!! They all benefitted from top class coaching facilities. I grant you that there are the odd players who will look after and pace themselves during coaching sessions a la Chris Kirkland, however that is not the norm, and due partly to fear of injury. But the fact remains whether they enjoyed training or not - they are / were all coached. Coaching is especially important for young players (which we have a few of), some of the older pro's probably do not put as much emphasis on training as those youngsters - but they are all coached. Your original post infers that our coaching set up leaves a lot to be desired and is being bailed out by KD - total and utter bollux. KD is doing what he is trained (coached) to do - no more no less. Apologies that I have not researched my reply with lots of 'player quotes', but I think you'll find that come Monday morning there are a whole lot more professional sportsmen at work on the coaching field than laying in bed knowing that they don't need to put the effort in.

Didn't bother reading past your opening gambit - if you believe that then you know naff all about football. Why not go tell KD to not bother turning up for training - no point - he can just cuff it with pure instict. Talk about legendary coaching methods....!!!!