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As the one domestic cup competition missing from our trophy cabinet we should be striving to win it.

Well Chelsea & Man City could survive, if our Owners hadn't agreed to write off our debt then it'd be a different story wouldn't it young Andy. We are doing the same as them, just on a smaller scale, are we not?

He told Buttner we wanted to challenge Man City. That suggest champions league football. 4th minimum, not 7th. Yes we could survive if we didn't have the Liebherrs money, but we wouldn't be where we are now. They've written off significant debt along the way, something you don't agree with.

Mrs Turkish reckons boat shoes are toff like, I disagree. Who is right?

Huddersfield - the new Saints?

Challenging for Europe in 3 years sounds doesn't sound like careful, gradual, well planned progress to me young Andy. Sounds like rapid progress which will be needed to be significantly funded somehow.

I agree with you on that. I thought that that money in the 'Saints go Wilde' era had come in from income via the various channels. Shows how screwed the clubs finances were when you think the money from Crouch, Walcott, Phillips, etc must have come to nearly £20m and we had to pawn the family silver for one sh*t or bust crack at promotion.

I would suggest it will be several years yet before we are anywhere near self sufficient, especially if Cortese wants to fulfill his vision and ambitions that he's been talking about. The only way this will happen is by following the model that you are so opposed to.

I'm not arguing against it Young Andy, I'm merely pointing out that that we have been dependant on wealthy owners and writing off debt as well to get to where we are and will continue to for a few years yet I'd imagine. The very thing you were saying was the wrong course of action. Whilst some, like yourself, blindly trot out the mantra that we have no debt and are superbly run, when the fact of the matter is we are dependant on our owners right now and have recorded large losses every year since Cortese has been here.

THey haven't done since the Liebherrs arrived,why do you think they are now when we are 7th biggest spenders in Europe, most of those have champions league money too?

And we've probably spent all of it already what with the training ground, transfers and wages we are paying out.

Yep and high, half way up the waist, often seen with a roll neck jumper instead of a shirt.

Wazs it a funny colour, like olive? I seem to remember coloured suits being fashionable at that time. As were brightly coloured mouflon jackets worn with chinos.

1988/89 season, right in front of me in the Milton Road end. I think it was his first penalty for us as well. Imagine the meltdown on here if we went a run like that.

With red socks and brown suede loafers.

He probably wears a blazer and chinos.

The money the Liebherrs wrote off was before the big spending in the summer. Ramirez, Mayuka, Rodriguez and cos wages won't be low either. The PL don't give us a big cheque for £60m at the start of every season you know young Andy. Why didn't Reading just go and spend the same amount?

One thing I noticed in Italy were lots of blokes in suits wearing slip in shoes with tassles like in the mid/late 80s. Christ I hope they don't make a comeback over here.

So you think if the Liebherrs packed up thier bags and went tomorrow we'd be debt free after spending £30m on transfers + wages in the last 3 months?

What plans do other clubs have Andy?

Sue Whistle, forum hardman DPS and Les Bender hate me, I'm sure there are others. In case you didnt know Sue Whistle has me on ignore.

Yep, a guy at work has one as well same year as mine and similar mileage, his went about a month ago. Only cost £275 as well which was a bargain from a very well recommended garage in Shirley.

We need something to be outraged by Spudgun, we've had nothing since Freddie Ljundbergs vile outburst last night.

They sound like wise guys to me, did they carry their money in roll?

Just so we know no one has hijacked yours, can we have your daily reminder that I'm on ignore please. I knew you couldn't go a day without mentioning me.