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I guess that fact the NC isn't expanding right now means he subscribes to the retarded poster logic, rather than the build it and they will come intelligent posters, yes?

You are clearly not understanding it Franks "the voice of reason" Cousin. What does the average wage in the public have to do with how much Keegan was being paid? People are banging on that we never pushed on in the early 80's because we were held back by the Dell. When in fact we were, we rarely sold out. Apparantly we lacked ambition and resource, when we signed the Euopean football of the year on the equvilent in 1982 of £150k a week, based on what his wages in 1982 against the average wage of a footballer then and what it is now. I'll make it even easier for you. Average wage of a footballer 1982 - £750 a week - £39k PA Average weekly wage of a football 2012 - £33k a week Keegans wage in 1982 - £175k/£39k = 4.5 4.5 x £33k = £148k Per week in 2012 Keegan was would be on almost £148k a week using how much footballer wages have exploded by if was paying for us today. It really isn't difficult to comprehend grandad.

Of course you need more now resource Franks "the voice of reason" Cousin!! Things cost more!! The average wage in 1982 was about £9k a year, do you still earn that??!!! The world moves on, in 1982 teachers used blackboards and chalk now they use white boards and pens and everything!!! So Keegan was on £175k a year was he? Well based on 1982 when the average fooball top flight football was on £750 a week that would make him on 4.5 times the average footballers wage for the era. Using the same ratio and the 2011 average premier league football is on £33000, that would put him on nearly £150k a week, consider the lack of TV revenue and sponsorship corporate stuff etc most of his wage would come from gate reciepts, that is a huge amount of money for the time is it not?? Like you go on to say, we also had some good ex internationals at the time, surely they who wont have cheap and a top manager who around that time turned down Man United! As you rightly say demand wasn't there for a bigger stadium. So in the early 80s we werent held back, because demand wasn't there and we rarely sold out. It really isn't difficult to grasp the voice of reason. So did we have ambition and resourses back then or didn't we??? Despite rarely coming close to filling the Dell, were we held back by it or weren't we?

Read the last couple of pages of the thread and try to understand them sunshine. FFS. "Never had ambition and resources before"- how much more ambition do you need than to sign the European footballer of the year and best goal keeper in the world? "Held back by the Dell" We weren't in the 80s FACT. Yet again the intelligent posters are shown up by those with retarded logic.

Another breath taking dull and rambling and wide of the mark post. Who is using them as a Benchmark of what crowds we would get not. People are claiming that in the early 80s we were held back by the Dell. We weren't. In our best season ever we averaged 18k and had a high of 21k in a 25k capacity stadium.

Who cares what the reasons where? We've been told we were restricted by the Dells capacity in early 80s. We weren't.

Exactly. Crowds were lower, we got no where near capacity at all. So how were we restricted by the Dell back then?

You need to read the argument princess people keep banging on that in the 80s when we signed Keegan, Shilton and co If it wasn't for the damn capacity at the Dell we'd have surely fulfilled our potential back then and been the Man U of the 80s and hoovered up all these fans that we are just about to 30 years too late. We were restricted by the Dell in the late 90s, no doubt about it but to suggest we needed a bigger stadium when we got no where nee filling the one we had in our best season ever is the sort of logic only our self titled intellegent posters would come out with isn't it?

Like the England goalkeeper and European footballer of the year you mean? Another one who thinks we should expand some can fit more away fans in.

By how much more? By the way our biggest home attendance that season was still well short of capacity 21,141 v Tottenham. So why would our average have been higher?

We moved when it was sold out week after week and we had a 5 year waiting list for season tickets. In 1984 in our best ever season we had an average of 7,000 empty spaces a game over the course of a season. And in 1984 the Dell was far from sh*t, it was just like a lot of stadiums in that era. How were we limited by it when we had 7,000 empty spaces on average?

Our average attendance was 18000 in 1984, the capacity was 25,000 back then. How were we limited by the Dell?

How much ambition, resource and potential to grow did we have when we finished 2nd to one of the best sides this country has ecer produced. when we signed the European footballer of the year, England goalkeeper and best one in the world and almost signed Trevor Francis who was the most expensive player of his era?

Remain?

That's it. How do you think Nasri, Tevez, Aguero, Silva and Toure would get on against our back 3?

So if we play with 3 attacking midfielders and two strikers we'll be stronger defensively?

No Jamie. We need to play with 3 attacking midfielders and two strikers plus attacking full backs as defences will be better in the Premier league but and midfielders won't be.

It's undoubtedly a lot more as a percentage of all the new fans we have all across the south since we got relegated in 2005 will now be members.

Robert Snodgrass is attracting our attention I understand.

So are you suggesting we play with 3 attacking midfielders and one defensive one and that we change our entire game plan of using attacking full backs who can deliver all so we can have this central midfielder who can get beyond the strikers and score goals? Would you not take 45 goals and a mid table finish then?

Now you're talking. Me and Mrs Turkish would love to do that. It's what we would do for work that is the issue.

They finished 6th a few years ago so actually have finished higher than we ever have since the premier league started. Their biggest mistake was appointing Gary Megson, an incredibly bad manager and they've been in decline ever since.

A top notch goalkeeper is worth 15 points a season, as Niemi proved.