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Yes there is, but if that's the way Yorkshire cricket club socialise then surely that means that the onus should be on the newer players to adapt to that rather than everyone adapting to them. If a large group of 20 work colleagues were going out for a dinner and one of them was a vegetarian it would be unreasonable for the vegitarian to refuse to go to anywhere selling meat wouldn't it, they'd simply order a non meat meal. As the discussion here was race then if none of the asian players go into the bar then surely the obvious thing to say was that they dont, that's not racist it's stating a fact.

I dont think anyone has ever denied that there are a minority of racist people out there. We also agree that most people are good and mean well. Which validates my point that when we look into these sort of allegations are we looking to find racism, hoping to be outraged at any comment which even alludes to it, or are we taking a more balanced view that for sure some comments were racist and some people might be, but that doesn't mean that they all were. I'll ask again, if asian players dont go into a bar and therefore dont become mates with some of the other players, is that a racist comment or an observation? Maybe rather than avoiding the bar they should make the effort to integrate socially with the other players?

It's a valid point though isn't it. If they're not socialising with the other players then it makes it harder to fit in. That goes for anyone playing for any club. Been involved in plenty of sports teams myself where players that dont socialise with the others are not part of the boys club, it doesn't mean no one rates them or no ones likes them, its simply they're not part of the social group, that's perfectly natural and nothing to do with race.

I guess that depends on what prism you look at the world through. You can assume that everyone is a nasty, horrible racist and every comment was made to hurt and offend, or can assume that actually most people aren't racist and what was said was not meant to be offensive. If Asian players dont go into the players bar is that a fact or a racist comment, for example?

There were obviously some racist comments made but it doesnt mean that all comments made were racist. For example Bumble LLoyds comments were not racist but they're being used as this as part of the great outrage.

Surely that is just an observation though rather than a racist comment. Also once again the question needs to be asked if true why dont they? Is it because they dont want to be around alcohol? If so there are plenty of teetotal people who go into bars, it is possible to go into a bar and not drink alcohol.

this would be more apt for modern Britain BLUE MINK - Melting Pot (RARE LIVE UK TV 1970) Ft Roger Cook & Madeline Bell - YouTube Although despite the incredible well meaning of this song even this would be considered racist these days due to lines 5 and 6 Curly Latin kinkies Mixed with yellow Chinkees

Im still struggling to understand what David Lloyd has done wrong by saying in a private chat group that asian players dont go into the clubs bars.

You obviously don’t remember the days when games used to go to third and fourth replays.

Yes Agadir is decent. Did two weeks a few years ago Can also do a trip to Marrakesh from there. We went back and did a full week in Marrakesh a few years later had a nice Riad but a week was a bit much.

In fairness hypo is closer to guan/billy than Dave the builder, but I’d like to hear Dave’s thoughts on it.

Yep that’s why I said you need to redeem yourself. The eyes of saintsweb on you for the next few weeks.

👀 ITK watch. You have work to do to redeem yourself.......

good point. Who is going to own up to going to see Take That or Boyzone? 🙋‍♂️

They are starting to plant the seed UK Covid crisis: Boris says he CAN'T rule out Xmas lockdown (msn.com)

You support a church team, you support a country that wants god to save their queen and you celebrate the birthday of gods son. You’re virtually a fundamentalist

Good finish. What’s that 4 goals in 5 for club and country now for Che.

You choose to support a team that was formed in a church.

Yea it’s painful to know that some weirdo with 100s of different logins to a football forum, that stalked saintsweb on Twitter to demand an explanation as to why one login was banned thinks im a bellend, I don’t know how I’ll ever recover from this.

What a pointless game This is.

I see they are warning of difficult months ahead but once spring gets here things should be calmer. “Just a few more months” been the mantra since the start hasn’t it

Predictable response.

I see this weekends womens football weekend was hailed a success with record crowds set across the country Chelsea's 4-0 win over Manchester City was watched by 3,174 - the biggest attendance at the Academy Stadium so far this season - while Birmingham City also recorded their largest crowd this campaign with 1,386 at St Andrew's for the defeat by Villa. There was a new record crowd registered for Spurs at The Hive as 2,896 saw them draw with league leaders Arsenal - live on BBC One - and Brighton had 3,566 fans at the Amex. With no mens matches to compete with this weekend it's great to see this records being set and demonstrates the ever increasing popularity of the game in the fairer sex. Women's Football Weekend: Attendances rise while European battle heats up - BBC Sport

Lizzie ill again, seems to be following a similar pattern to Philip pulling out of engagements at short notice....